Topic: How would you improve this team at the trade deadline?

GARY,

 I CAN GET TICKETS WHEN THE METS COME TO TOWN FOR FREE AND WILL NOT BE GOING THIS YEAR AS I AM THOROUGHLY DISGUSTED AT THIS POINT. WE ALL DESERVE BETTER AND WHY AGGRAVATE MYSELF ANYMORE WHEN THE "AMAZING MESS" COMES TO AZ. I WILL BE GEARING UP FOR FOOTBALL SEASON AT THAT POINT. I KNOW MANY PEOPLE BACK EAST THAT WILL NOT RENEW THEIR TICKETS AFTER THIS SEASON. THE NOVELTY OF THE NEW STADIUM HAS APPPARENTLY WORN OFF AND PEOPLE INCLUDING MYSELF HAVE NO MORE PATIENCE WITH THIS ORGANIZATION. INJURIES ARE ONE THING BUT TO LET THIS GET TO THIS POINT IS UNACCEPTABLE ESPECIALLY WITH THE MONEY THE METS ORGANIZATION HAS. OBVIOUSLY THEY DON'T CARE ABOUT WINNING.THEY ARE JUST WORRIED ABOUT SELLING MERCHANDISE, TICKETS, ETC.  

It boggles the mind what is going on with the injuries of these modern day athletes who are supposed to be stronger, faster, certainly not tougher. Julio Franco, Luis Castillo, Moises Alou

are reasons enough for Jeffy Boy and Freddie Coupon to send Omar to the ESPN Broadcasting Team. Again, Omar has not done the job that he was brought here to do. Left Field Murphy, Right Field Church coming off an injury plagued season. Now Murphy at 1B. Sorry, Murph and Martinez are lost out there and this team cannot afford a weak link at 2B. Very nice that Omar addressed the bullpen with K-Rod and Putz but as was stated on this site.....he rested on those laurels and did not address the offense until Sheffield became available. Again, where is this team stacked with gems in the farm system? Ike Davis? WIlmer Flores? Josh Thole? Eddie Kunz? Tobi Stoner?

I see that Brian Stokes is doing his Heilman impersonation tonite. Ahhhh just disgusting as Omar just sits on his hands and states that he is working the phones.

I didn't know that you were living out in AZ also. Huntsy is over in New Mexico. I am thrilled that I haven't bought tix yet when the Mets come into Chase next month. Minaya must go.

Gary,

 I live here in the valley and am a long time suffering Mets fan. It is truly sad that it has come down to this. What the hell has Omar done since Delgado went down etc? You have to have a plan B in case something like this happens. If you are not planning ahead you are planning to fail. I understand all the injuries but the Mets were obviously never prepared for the rash of injuries. I know it would be difficult for most clubs to deal with  the injuries but the Mets have the money and need to do something. New ballpark same results! I basically forget how nice the new stadium is with the wheels coming off the wagon right before our eyes.  

Totally deflated. the Band Aid Mets get swept by the Yankees @ Cit-Field. Not that it matters when Mariano got his RBI walk because everyone knew that the Mets couldn't get 2 hits in an inning let alone 2 runs to tie the game but it is just embarassing to lose against the Yankees and be the laughing stock of their fanbase with no hope on the horizon via trade or prospects. I know that this guy F-Mart is only 20 but he seems lost at the plate like the rest of them.  Very sad that it has come to this. Minaya needs to go and Manuel needs to be replaced. And the Wilpon's need to be held accountable and find somebody else to GM their ballclub and protect their investment after the scouting staff, Omar and Bernie have hurt them. The fans deserve better.

I am , so proud of you  Crunch,

I've told you your a better man then me and I meant it.

You are a BETTER MAN THE ME ! I have a short fuse, I assume so do others on this site. We are all Met fans here, we have differant opinions, differant idea's where this team should go.

I appreciate your positiveminded attitude for this Met team. I need you to be that person. I do not want you to change. I do want you to see the ups and downs though.

I wish I knew your real name, but understand we can't do that. You have my respect always, understand that.  I am very proud of you, a mystery, but very proud.

Go Crunch, If we win, I will remember you the most for being the staunch advocate of this Met team.

Go Crunch, go Mets !

Honesty doesn't come across to often, this one did.No tsaying your not an honest person.

Yes, I am pointing out that I do not need to see this team go 38-12 down the stretch (it certainly would be nice) to make the playoffs if they get there with a .500 record who cares. I just want them to get there. Once there anything can happen

Crunch wrote" When I visit family in New York, I sometimes watch a show called Loud Mouths. Two guys arguing over issues; which is great entertainment. I can see myself,westcoast, metfan on one side of the table and you, gary from ariz, baseballmom on the other side of the table arguing over the Mets. I bet it would be better entertainment than those two guys."  

Well said.  Any good baseball discussion needs knowledgeable fans and varying opinions.  This board has plenty of both.  I enjoy that interplay.  We've talked alot about everyone having a right to their opinion.  Well the show, Loudmouths, that Crunch refers to is popular because both sides voice knowledgeable but differing opinions.  When a fan is frustrated or unhappy about the play, I tend to try and pick them up.  That's how baseball works.  If your teammate makes a big error, you go to their support.  It is not meant to deny anyone their right to their opinion.  Since it seems to bother some, I will stop that.   Like everyone else, I get frustrated by this team.  I think any good fan recognizes that poor fundamentals have hurt this team alot.  This is a game of relative failure.  I am, by no means, happy that they are just over .500.  I look at baseball as entertainment.  The fact that they are only a half game out means that we are still in it.   I love baseball.  I like the discussions of how to improve the team, the talk of our prospects.  I don't dwell on the failings or the frustrations.  The great thing about this game, and this team, is there is always hope.  I enjoy how this team fights despite all the injuries.  We celebrate the '73 Mets but they were worse than this team until they got hot at the end of the year.  Am I delusional to believe that if Reyes, Beltran, Delgado, Maine, Perez, Putz and Wagner come back by August, that this team could do some damage?  I choose to believe that this team, if healthy, can make a '73 type move.  Such delusion may not be for all but it has served me well over the last 40+ years rooting for this team.  Whatever works for you, I hope this team gives us all more to root for than to be disappointed in.  Lets Go Mets!!!!!!!!    

Sorry West Coast,

I go Huh ?

Just don't get the post.Your saying miricales are coming. We are overdue for some. I hope your right.

73 Mets went 82-80 , are you pointing that out ?

If it happens I would be there.

Talk to me me buddy. We are getting in desparate times here now.

I could care less if they play like the '73 Mets as long as they make the playoffs, then as the 2006 Cards can attest to anything can happen!

Hey West Coast,

I admire your determination.

After last nights loss to the Yankees's , I am very dissheartened. At home, even if a hurt team, it's a time when a weak team rises to the occasion or a bookie's bet to say, they will lose tonite.

They lost, at home, in front of all Met fans who came out to support them.

This appears to me, we will continue down this tract. I am so sorry to say this, but this team is going DOWN !

I empathize going down not to **** you off, it just pisses me off. No offense meanted to you , it's just an emphatize on my point of view.

I'm glad to hear your frustrated too. Sometimes we need to hear it, more often. Cause this team is the most frustating team I've had the displeasure to rout for.

GO METS, PLAY LIKE 69 !

I can not speak for anyone but myself; I have mentioned numerous times that I am disappointed with where we are at. I also have said that I prefer to recognize that the injuries we have had have decimated this team and have played a big part in that. We have 3 of 4 of the "core", 2 of 5 starters plus Redding, our RF, catcher and RF, plus 2 back-up infielders and a back-up outfielder have spent time on the DL. I believe that any team with this many injuries would be struggling. That said, I also beleive if we played better earlier in the season and won the games that we gave away we should be trying to hold onto a lead rather than trying to stay close. Play has been sloppy, dropped balls, missed bases to name a few are not the signs of a "great" team. So yes I am frustrated too. Then I look at the standings and say if we can hold on until the calvery comes back we can still win this thing. Some of you will say we are lucky that the Phillies are also playing bad, but let me ask you this; do you think Philly fans want to give back last year's trophy because they only won it because the Mets played bad down the stretch and handed it to them? I think not. So even though there are a lot of negatives to this season we are still close and there is a lot of baseball to play and I prefer to think my team still has a pretty good chance of winning this damn thing.

Hey Met fan,

Prefer to respond to you vs. the rhubard going on here  LOL ! I love BaseballMom, My neighbor, Afan, as well as Crunch, West Coast and you.

What's happening here in this dogfight of posts is frustrated Met fans vs. positive minded Met fans and guess what, it was due to happen !

When you read all posts, you see differant styles of writing and sometimes things get missinterpreted.

Lord knows I've apoligized so many times here and sometimes I think, 'what the hell did I say"?

Crunch, no offense intended, your writing sometimes comes across as an expert on the Mets. I view you as being a very positive minded Met fan. Again , no offense intended.

Hell to be a Met fan, you better be positive minded ! Met fan, West Coast, Crunch, what I think you miss here, and we need to hear it occasionally , no , more often, is your dissapointment in this team!

Oh, thats negative. But, needs to be done! Needs to be stated emphatically ! Just as much as my being negative means I write positive when the time comes.

If we knew more often that you feel the same way, the dissapointment, we would get along better.

We are not Steppard wives to this Met team! To Omar, to the Met Org. If Omar is great, we would have won one by now, wouldnt we have ?

Do we not measure greatness by a WS ?

We CAN be , Met fans that dissagree where this team is going, and there is no denying, although I will open the floor, that we are on a downwood spiral.

Unless your content with being a plus .500 team every year, I think your making a mistake .

Go Met fans, positive or negative, we are Met fans either way !

Displaced, thank you for the props.  I have been asked, on this forum, who would I get for a trade of one or more of the core members?  It's a good question.

I believe that Omar Minaya, Tony Bernezard, and others either read or scan this forum.  If they want the benefit on my intelletual prowess and property, then an adequate consulting fee is required!  Basically, I am not going to do their job for them!  LOL!!!

I'LL BET THAT YOU, ME AND A FEW OF THE OTHER POSTERS LIKE AFAN, HUNT, WESTCOAST, HOJO, BASEBALL MOM WORKING TOGETHER AND GETTING PAID BY THE METS WOULD DO JUST AS GOOD OF A JOB AS OMAR, BERNEZARD AND THEIR SCOUTING STAFF.

Surely you can't honestly believe this?

Which one is it?  Are you a Dragnet or CSI investigator?  You're bent on getting the "facts" - the knowing who, what, where, when, ahd why - and not understanding the the current core is a failed grouping in terms of team leadership, its impact, and direction, especially over the last three years.  Individually, they put up numbers that look good but are soft.  Why?  It's because the concept of team and where we are going, a to-a-man resolve, is lost.  The one exception is Degado's resurgence last year after Randolph was fired, he carried the Mets but that only went so far because of the September collapse.

It's a matter of not knowing how to win.  The 2006 Mets had fun but fell short.  The next two years, it was within their grasp and slipped away in the collapses.  If this core was individually on some of the great teams of the past, would they start or sit on the bench?  The Phillies have already expressed what they think.

Yes, I am a Mets fan for over 40 years.  What frustrates me is the discrepancy of how this team is promoted and how they play.  Yet, I don't take anything about the Mets and the postings on this forum personally.  I'll disagree with and challenge but not demean anyone.