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captain-crunch

jrkirshbaum wrote: Link
What are you guys talking about?  The Mets final record in 1973 was 82-79.  Period.  They only played 161 games that year.  They had a double-header scheduled on the last day of the season (I believe against Pittsburgh) but the second game became unnecessary after the Mets won Game 1.  Since St Louis had a final record of 81-81, once the Mets won Game 1 of the DH (win number 82 for the season), there was no reason to play the second game.   
you're right about the Mets record being 82-79. On game 160 and 161 they played the Cubs and beat them in both games 9-2 & 6-4, thus building a 1.5 game lead over 2nd place Cardinals, who were 81-81. As you mentioned, since the Mets had a 1.5 game lead, the final game (162) wouldn't of mattered. Good research.

 

jrkirshbaum

RONHUNT33 wrote: Link
By the way Crunch,What I meant by playing the Cubs, they were 82-79 and had to make up a rainout to decide who wins.I recall the game being played. Your right it wasn't an extra game , game 162 I think was a have to play because of the division standings.

What are you guys talking about?  The Mets final record in 1973 was 82-79.  Period.  They only played 161 games that year.  They had a double-header scheduled on the last day of the season (I believe against Pittsburgh) but the second game became unnecessary after the Mets won Game 1.  Since St Louis had a final record of 81-81, once the Mets won Game 1 of the DH (win number 82 for the season), there was no reason to play the second game. 

 

Timmy Tuff. When the Going Got Tough, Tuefel Got Going.
RONHUNT33

RONHUNT33 wrote: Link
Hey Crunch,If I go with your thought process here, I bring up the kids that are highly touted for 2 reasons.One, let's see what we got. granted they maynot be ready, but ML baseball doesn't afford the opportunity to go Major league too often.Two, what do we got to lose right now?We got a few from Double A last year, do it again. So tired of "There not ready by ML coaches viewpoint". Bring up Reese Havens, Ike Davis, Brad Holt. It's alot more exciting then Alex Cora, Jeremy Reed and Dressens.I'l write this season off to poor planning for the core. I'll watch the Murphy's, Holt's, Davis and Havens play.I can live with them not being ready, or will they suprise ?Go young Mets !

By the way Crunch,

What I meant by playing the Cubs, they were 82-79 and had to make up a rainout to decide who wins.

I recall the game being played. Your right it wasn't an extra game , game 162 I think was a have to play because of the division standings.

RONHUNT33

captain-crunch wrote: Link
I understand your frustration, but to say that Omar has done nothing is not true. when the Phillies signed Ibanez, the Mets were signing K-Rod and trading for Putz. At the time of these moves 99.9% of the fans on this board were excited and praised Omar. You can't realistically have that much expectations with Martinez who is only 20 years and playing at the ML level, where 99.9% of the kids his age are playing in A ball or maybe AA. If the Mets were to make that proposed trade with the A's that you suggested, after the season Holliday leaves for FA cause his price will be too high and 2 to 3 years from now when Martinez matures and become a quality ML player, the fans will blame Omar for trading away a blue chip prospect for a rental. The injuries will be a reason and not an excuse if the Mets don't make the playoffs. I realize injuries are part of the game, but facts are facts. The Cardinals getting Derosa, who at 34 is on the downside of his career. the cardinals gave them a quality prospect who will be very productive for many years. Now maybe the Cardinals farm system is deeper than the Mets (not sure) but now is not the time to panic and make a knee jerk trade. All the GM's in the league are like vultures just waiting for Omar to cave in and make a panic move. This is the time that Omar needs to be patience and look for players who can help without trading away the future. We have all heard the names of who the fans would like and would is available and at what cost. I have no clue what Omar will do, I only hope he doesn't weaken to the media and fans and trade away our top prospects for rentals and players who are past their prime.

Hey Crunch,

If I go with your thought process here, I bring up the kids that are highly touted for 2 reasons.

One, let's see what we got. granted they maynot be ready, but ML baseball doesn't afford the opportunity to go Major league too often.

Two, what do we got to lose right now?

We got a few from Double A last year, do it again. So tired of "There not ready by ML coaches viewpoint".

 Bring up Reese Havens, Ike Davis, Brad Holt. It's alot more exciting then Alex Cora, Jeremy Reed and Dressens.

I'l write this season off to poor planning for the core.

I'll watch the Murphy's, Holt's, Davis and Havens play.I can live with them not being ready, or will they suprise ?

Go young Mets !

captain-crunch

ANGRYFORMERNEWYORKER wrote: Link
THE INJURIES WILL BE THE EXCUSE USED AT THE END OF THE SEASON IF THE METS DON'T MAKE THE PLAYOFFS. WHAT ABOUT OMAR SITTING ON HIS BUTT LETTING THE SEASON SLIP AWAY. YOU CAN'T JUST SIT THERE AND NOT MAKE ANY MOVES. CARDS JUST SIGN DEROSA. PHILLIES SIGN IBANEZ IN THE OFFSEASON. METS DO NOTHING ONCE AGAIN! I WOULD DEAL PEREZ, MARTINEZ AND A MINOR LEAUGER FOR MATT HOLIDAY.F-MART OR F-FART WE SHOULD CALL HIM IS BATTING .170 AND IS SUPPOSE TO BE THIS PHENOM OUT OF THE FARM SYSTEM. WHAT A JOKE? HE CAN'T EVEN BAT HIS OWN WEIGHT. WRIGHT HAS NO PROTECTION IN THIS LINEUP. OMAR WILL JUST SIT AROUND AND NOT DO ANYTHING AS USUAL. YOU DON'T MAKE TO MORTGAGE THE FUTURE BUT AT THE SAME TIME YOU HAVE TO DO SOMETHING SINCE WE ARE ONLY 2 1/2 BACK EVEN WITH THE RASH OF INJURIES AND BONEHEAD PLAY. TO THINK THEY GAVE OMAR A FOUR YEAR EXTENSION ESPECIALLY AFTER THE PAST THREE SEASONS. TIME FOR OMAR TO STEP TO THE PLATE TO TRY AND SAVE THIS SEASON.
I understand your frustration, but to say that Omar has done nothing is not true. when the Phillies signed Ibanez, the Mets were signing K-Rod and trading for Putz. At the time of these moves 99.9% of the fans on this board were excited and praised Omar. You can't realistically have that much expectations with Martinez who is only 20 years and playing at the ML level, where 99.9% of the kids his age are playing in A ball or maybe AA. If the Mets were to make that proposed trade with the A's that you suggested, after the season Holliday leaves for FA cause his price will be too high and 2 to 3 years from now when Martinez matures and become a quality ML player, the fans will blame Omar for trading away a blue chip prospect for a rental. The injuries will be a reason and not an excuse if the Mets don't make the playoffs. I realize injuries are part of the game, but facts are facts. The Cardinals getting Derosa, who at 34 is on the downside of his career. the cardinals gave them a quality prospect who will be very productive for many years. Now maybe the Cardinals farm system is deeper than the Mets (not sure) but now is not the time to panic and make a knee jerk trade. All the GM's in the league are like vultures just waiting for Omar to cave in and make a panic move. This is the time that Omar needs to be patience and look for players who can help without trading away the future. We have all heard the names of who the fans would like and would is available and at what cost. I have no clue what Omar will do, I only hope he doesn't weaken to the media and fans and trade away our top prospects for rentals and players who are past their prime.
ANGRYFORMERNEWYORKER

THE INJURIES WILL BE THE EXCUSE USED AT THE END OF THE SEASON IF THE METS DON'T MAKE THE PLAYOFFS. WHAT ABOUT OMAR SITTING ON HIS BUTT LETTING THE SEASON SLIP AWAY. YOU CAN'T JUST SIT THERE AND NOT MAKE ANY MOVES. CARDS JUST SIGN DEROSA. PHILLIES SIGN IBANEZ IN THE OFFSEASON. METS DO NOTHING ONCE AGAIN! I WOULD DEAL PEREZ, MARTINEZ AND A MINOR LEAUGER FOR MATT HOLIDAY.F-MART OR F-FART WE SHOULD CALL HIM IS BATTING .170 AND IS SUPPOSE TO BE THIS PHENOM OUT OF THE FARM SYSTEM. WHAT A JOKE? HE CAN'T EVEN BAT HIS OWN WEIGHT. WRIGHT HAS NO PROTECTION IN THIS LINEUP. OMAR WILL JUST SIT AROUND AND NOT DO ANYTHING AS USUAL. YOU DON'T MAKE TO MORTGAGE THE FUTURE BUT AT THE SAME TIME YOU HAVE TO DO SOMETHING SINCE WE ARE ONLY 2 1/2 BACK EVEN WITH THE RASH OF INJURIES AND BONEHEAD PLAY. TO THINK THEY GAVE OMAR A FOUR YEAR EXTENSION ESPECIALLY AFTER THE PAST THREE SEASONS. TIME FOR OMAR TO STEP TO THE PLATE TO TRY AND SAVE THIS SEASON.
'69,'86,andnow'09

WestCoastMetFan wrote: Link
 Once again I will preface this with I am as frustrated and disappointed as the next guy on this forum. I mean to lose to the evil empire in the fashion we have is a killer.  Ron, I mean no disrespect here, but call me crazy if you will but in my humble opinion I do not think there has been a team in the history of basebal that could lose its all-star SS, all-star CF, a power hitting 1B, 2 of 5 starters, its 8th inning set-up man that could predict let alone be prepared for that rash of injuries. And those injuries do not include the RF, back-up OF, starting C and 2 back-ups to the SS that have also found time on the DL. Add to that the few weeks that the flu ran through the clubhouse. I am also hoping that when we get healthy we will right this train and play the kind of baseball we were all hoping for and expecting before the season began. How much sweeter will it be if after all these injuries if we play well and come from behind and pass the Phillies?

 

Very well said; especially the last sentence.

WestCoastMetFan

RONHUNT33 wrote: Link
They could have been better prepared for injuries. They could have had better fill ins then we bought off-season.We are, a poor excuse for being a better prepared team then we are now. Go mets, get healthy and better.

 

Once again I will preface this with I am as frustrated and disappointed as the next guy on this forum. I mean to lose to the evil empire in the fashion we have is a killer.

 

Ron, I mean no disrespect here, but call me crazy if you will but in my humble opinion I do not think there has been a team in the history of basebal that could lose its all-star SS, all-star CF, a power hitting 1B, 2 of 5 starters, its 8th inning set-up man that could predict let alone be prepared for that rash of injuries. And those injuries do not include the RF, back-up OF, starting C and 2 back-ups to the SS that have also found time on the DL. Add to that the few weeks that the flu ran through the clubhouse.

 

I am also hoping that when we get healthy we will right this train and play the kind of baseball we were all hoping for and expecting before the season began. How much sweeter will it be if after all these injuries if we play well and come from behind and pass the Phillies?

captain-crunch

RONHUNT33 wrote: Link
Hey Crunch, I looked up the 73 Mets as a re-freasher. They finished 83-79. They beat out the Cards, Pirates, Cubs, and Expos's. The 83 came about because they had to play a game after the season ended, think it was the Cubs.Yogi was the manager, he came up with " It ain't over till it's over line".7 HOF players in the WS. Tug, " Ya gotta believe" line.NOT like today.....Today, no heart or desire, it's a business.If this was 1955 and playing the Yankees, the Dodgers would have played like it know it's  do or die here. It's 2009, big salaries, teamates don't get together.The day of playing to win is over.I t's like if it happens it happens.  Now we can excuse it by saying , he pitched a good game, etc, etc, Back in the 50's or 60's 0r 70's, players walked into that dugout or clubhouse and said we SUCK !They actually took control and leveled players who didn't perform !You can get complacent here and accept the ways things are going. I won't do it.The 73 Mets were way better, way better then this team today.Go Mets, show some 69 and 73.
RonHunt, the 83-79 record the Mets posted in '73 is 162 games, they didn't play an extra game that year. Please don't suggest that I am complacent with this team because I choose don't to show negativity. I want to win as much as anyone on this board, but I express myself in a different way than you do. Many on the board want to breakup this group, especially the core and many do not. If the season ends and the Mets do not make the playoffs again, one of the side of fans will get their wish.
RONHUNT33

Afansince1967 wrote: Link
 Yes, RONHUNT, there is a lot of frustration.  I, albeit a long term fan, am at tyhe point of saying, "Put up or shut up!"  It was hoped that the Mets would start off blazing in 2007, 2008, and 2009.  They didn't!  The question now, "What can light a spark under and motivate this team?" The 1969 Amazin' Mets, whom we are all celbrate, split a four game series with the Cubs by sweeping a double header in Chicago.  They also had an 11 game winning streak after Hodges called them his "little wooden soldiers" due to their anemic batting.  Four out of six were won from the Cubs, including Seaver's "Imperfect Game," in late June or early July.  The stand up guys were Gil Hodges, the manager, Tom Seaver, Jerry Koosman, Cleon Jones, and included the late addition of Don Clendenon.  The core of that team did not like losing and upped their game over and over again. If David Wright is ever fully be the face of this team, it's hoped that he plays with a persona that is beyond high school.  This is MLB, not "c'mon guys, lets rally!"  Yes, the current core is talented.  Can they write a new chapter, on the field, like their predecessors? Right now as a Mets fan, I feel as though I live in St. Louis.  This team has to "show me!"  Words, sound bites, and promotional media aare not enough!

Hey Afan,

I'm really missing a team like the 69 Mets. My favorite Met team of all time.

What did they have ? They did it from 8/12/73 on. So we wait with this great team, injuries aside, till then ? Hope it happens ?

Guts, determination, desire, heart, achievement, To me, the best underdog I ever saw.

Now we have a good team, no a great team, we flounder. 

Granted injuries. Forgive, forget ! I can't . They could have been better prepared for injuries. They could have had better fill ins then we bought off-season.

We are, a poor excuse for being a better prepared team then we are now. 

Go mets, get healthy and better.

RONHUNT33

captain-crunch wrote: Link
RonHunt, alot of Met fans share your pain and if a book is written about the 2006-2009, I guarantee you it will not be a best seller. With all the promise of this team when the season began, I would be happy if the Mets win by 1 game with a 82-80 record. With Maine out until after the allstar break, what do you think of Omar picking up Brandon Backe (who was released by the Astro's yesterday). Maybe he can find magic with Backe like he has with Nieve.

Hey Crunch,

I looked up the 73 Mets as a re-freasher. They finished 83-79. They beat out the Cards, Pirates, Cubs, and Expos's.

The 83 came about because they had to play a game after the season ended, think it was the Cubs.

Yogi was the manager, he came up with " It ain't over till it's over line".

7 HOF players in the WS. Tug, " Ya gotta believe" line.

NOT like today.....

Today, no heart or desire, it's a business.

If this was 1955 and playing the Yankees, the Dodgers would have played like it know it's  do or die here. It's 2009, big salaries, teamates don't get together.

The day of playing to win is over.I t's like if it happens it happens.  Now we can excuse it by saying , he pitched a good game, etc, etc, Back in the 50's or 60's 0r 70's, players walked into that dugout or clubhouse and said we SUCK !

They actually took control and leveled players who didn't perform !

You can get complacent here and accept the ways things are going. I won't do it.

The 73 Mets were way better, way better then this team today.

Go Mets, show some 69 and 73.

Afansince1967

RONHUNT33 wrote: Link
Hey Crunch,It's more about frustration then anything else.I'll be the first to join the bandwagon when they show signs of a heartbeat. Losing to the Yanks in this manner, is hard to take.I understand we have injuries and remain only 1/2 game out in this weak division. I'll have to look up the 73 Mets as a comparison by your theory here.I know your not comparing them to the 73 Mets Crunch, i'm thinking in lines of a just above .500 team that made the playoffs.Someday someones gonna write a book about the 2006-2009 Met teams. I am sure words like promise and underachieve will appear often.Go Mets, for better or worse.

 

Yes, RONHUNT, there is a lot of frustration.  I, albeit a long term fan, am at tyhe point of saying, "Put up or shut up!"  It was hoped that the Mets would start off blazing in 2007, 2008, and 2009.  They didn't!  The question now, "What can light a spark under and motivate this team?"

 

The 1969 Amazin' Mets, whom we are all celbrate, split a four game series with the Cubs by sweeping a double header in Chicago.  They also had an 11 game winning streak after Hodges called them his "little wooden soldiers" due to their anemic batting.  Four out of six were won from the Cubs, including Seaver's "Imperfect Game," in late June or early July.  The stand up guys were Gil Hodges, the manager, Tom Seaver, Jerry Koosman, Cleon Jones, and included the late addition of Don Clendenon.  The core of that team did not like losing and upped their game over and over again.

 

If David Wright is ever fully be the face of this team, it's hoped that he plays with a persona that is beyond high school.  This is MLB, not "c'mon guys, lets rally!"  Yes, the current core is talented.  Can they write a new chapter, on the field, like their predecessors?

 

Right now as a Mets fan, I feel as though I live in St. Louis.  This team has to "show me!"  Words, sound bites, and promotional media aare not enough!

captain-crunch

RONHUNT33 wrote: Link
Hey Crunch,It's more about frustration then anything else.I'll be the first to join the bandwagon when they show signs of a heartbeat. Losing to the Yanks in this manner, is hard to take.I understand we have injuries and remain only 1/2 game out in this weak division. I'll have to look up the 73 Mets as a comparison by your theory here.I know your not comparing them to the 73 Mets Crunch, i'm thinking in lines of a just above .500 team that made the playoffs.Someday someones gonna write a book about the 2006-2009 Met teams. I am sure words like promise and underachieve will appear often.Go Mets, for better or worse.
RonHunt, alot of Met fans share your pain and if a book is written about the 2006-2009, I guarantee you it will not be a best seller. With all the promise of this team when the season began, I would be happy if the Mets win by 1 game with a 82-80 record. With Maine out until after the allstar break, what do you think of Omar picking up Brandon Backe (who was released by the Astro's yesterday). Maybe he can find magic with Backe like he has with Nieve.
RONHUNT33

captain-crunch wrote: Link
RonHunt, it not only sounds like you're giving up on this season, but based on your final comment "Go Mets in 2011" you're giving up on 2010 as well. You are free to feel anyway you want and giving up on this team is your choice, so be it. However; consider this: the NL east is not a strong division, the Phillies, Marlins and Braves all have weaknesses and despite the Mets horrible play at times are still only .5 games back. My philosophy is to not to give up and to stay close until key players return and hopefully make a solid push with 6-8 weeks remaining to win the NL east.

Hey Crunch,

It's more about frustration then anything else.

I'll be the first to join the bandwagon when they show signs of a heartbeat. Losing to the Yanks in this manner, is hard to take.

I understand we have injuries and remain only 1/2 game out in this weak division. I'll have to look up the 73 Mets as a comparison by your theory here.

I know your not comparing them to the 73 Mets Crunch, i'm thinking in lines of a just above .500 team that made the playoffs.

Someday someones gonna write a book about the 2006-2009 Met teams. I am sure words like promise and underachieve will appear often.

Go Mets, for better or worse.

captain-crunch

RONHUNT33 wrote: Link
 Here we are, at home, playing the Yanks, commit 3 errors in 1 inning.Almost as big as a World Series, and the Mets play so poorly. If your not a New Yorker, you may not understand this.You would think that Castillo's error in the Yankee ballpark would be inspirational to this team to be fired up to beat the Yankee's at home.Not to mention, but I will, Santana's horrible defeat in their ballpark.So it's just another game we can put in the records, (it's 7-1 ). Noone will admit , this team is going south. Oh, theres a long time yet !Said the hare to the turtle !Sorry to dissapoint here, if you don't see it, if you don't get it, your really missing the point.Go Mets in 2011 !   
RonHunt, it not only sounds like you're giving up on this season, but based on your final comment "Go Mets in 2011" you're giving up on 2010 as well. You are free to feel anyway you want and giving up on this team is your choice, so be it. However; consider this: the NL east is not a strong division, the Phillies, Marlins and Braves all have weaknesses and despite the Mets horrible play at times are still only .5 games back. My philosophy is to not to give up and to stay close until key players return and hopefully make a solid push with 6-8 weeks remaining to win the NL east.
RONHUNT33

 

Here we are, at home, playing the Yanks, commit 3 errors in 1 inning.

Almost as big as a World Series, and the Mets play so poorly. If your not a New Yorker, you may not understand this.

You would think that Castillo's error in the Yankee ballpark would be inspirational to this team to be fired up to beat the Yankee's at home.

Not to mention, but I will, Santana's horrible defeat in their ballpark.

So it's just another game we can put in the records, (it's 7-1 ). Noone will admit , this team is going south.

Oh, theres a long time yet !

Said the hare to the turtle !

Sorry to dissapoint here, if you don't see it, if you don't get it, your really missing the point.

Go Mets in 2011 !