Topic: Why Omar Must Go

Thanks for the compliments, G!  I'm in Bergen County, NJ (Timmy Tuff on my home computer because I thought Timmy T was awesome - especially after he got in the bar fight at Cooters in Houston in 1986).  I didn't pick up on the column reference at the time - but I also accept that as a compliment!

Question for Angry.....I love your description of Omar as a "Tent Maker" - but what does that actually mean?  Regardless, it's hysterical.  My friend refers to him as a snake oil salesman, which I also love.

Hey Crunch,

No problem with the Sheff thing Crunch, I probably was confusing on that line. 

You make a persuasive argument. I'm OK with Parnell or Niese or Holt (If ready )to step up.

Provided they all learn an additional pitch or two to their resume. I feel this is essential to minor league pitchers to be successful in the Major leagues.  If 45M comes off the books eat Castillos salary at the least if not for a minor league player.

I started off fond of Castillo , for the 2nd half of his first season back in the NL, he played fairly well for the Mets. 

I've seen the Mets deal and give away alot of talent over the years from pressure in NY to have a better team.

We now have a bad team. I can live with it if we don't succumb to dealing the talent away. But it is a great time, to bring them up and see what they got.

Too often minor league coaches say this kid ain't ready or he don't have it, only to find out the kid plays well in MLB. Sometimes I think the minor league coaches don't have enough talent to recognize talent when it's in his face. Maybe the dissapointment of not making it big themselves makes them downgrade the kids they are suppose to teach to get there. 

I'm dissapointed, but I can live with seeing what we got and what promise we have for next year.

Go Mets.

Reyes/Crawford/Wright/Beltran/Francoeur/Johnsonor Nady/Lopez/catcher/ and these pitchers battling for 5 starting spots.

Santana/Pelfrey/Morrow/Sanchez/Perez/Niese/Parnell

No draft picks lost. Had to give up on Murphy who I think will be a good ML player. Also Maine, but his history with injuries will take it's toll on him. Trade him now, while you can. Need to trade quality to get quality. having some fun here, what do you think.

Hey Tuff,

I believed Tim Tuffel resided in the vicinity of Greenwich Connecticut when he played for the Mets.

A friend of mine , back in the days worked for Cable TV and installed it at his house. He said Tuff was a great guy talking to him during the installation.

Anyway, I like the idea of bringing up the kids and seeing what they got. I'm not sure how much time these former Mets got in the big leagues, but you got to cringe when you realize we dealt these guys away :

Jeff Keppenger - plays 3rd, SS and 2nd base, Heath Bell - Closer , Brian Bannister - Starter , Jason Bay, starting LF , Matt Linstrom - Closer , Jesus Flores - Catcher, Ty Wiggington - 1st, 3rd, LF and RF , Scott Kazmir - Starter , Dan Wheeler - relief , Mike Jacobs, 1b.

Ths is quite an impressive group. Are the Mets too quick to pull the trigger and deal away prospects like this ? I dread to see the list of players we got in return.

Whether it's Omar or not, something is wrong here with the Mets in evaulating their own talent.

Hey Neighbor !

My Grandson and my 2 boys were out for the 4th of July so I've been preoccupied. My 4 year old grandson wore me out, but we managed to have the Met games on vs. the Phillies, which wasn't a pleasant experiance. 

The Daily News today is ripping the Met Org, don't know if you follow the NY papers. NY Post and Newsday likewise.  

Well here we go again neighbor, almost time to bring out the most favorite quote for Met fans, 

Wait till next year !

I actually don't have the venom for this present Met team. If they were healthy and playing this way, I might have that heart attack ! But now , I have no expectations. If they surprise me then we would be looking at a miracle Met team.

Bring up the kids and let some heads roll for this fiasco 3 years running.

Go Mets , Single A- or AA - wise. ( There's nothing in Buffalo. )

Hey Angry,

You crack me up with some of your expressions here. LOL.

Have you seen Gran Turino yet ? You would love it. It was a great movie!

I AGREE WITH YOUR FEELINGS EXCEPT FOR THE WAIT 'TIL NEXT YEAR APPROACH. I FEEL THAT IT IS MORE LIKE LET'S SEE WHAT HAPPENS AFTER THE REMIANDER OF THIS SEASON ESPECIALLY AS FAR AS RETURN FROM INJURIES GOES.  EVERY METS FAN KNOWS THAT FREDDIE AND JEFFY BOY WILL MAKE EXCUSES FOR THIS TEAM AND 100% SUPPORT OMAR.

MOST OF THE POSTERS HAVE BEEN RIGHT ON LATELY. I AGREE WITH EATING CASTILLO'S CONTRACT (DEDUCT A PORTION OF THIS FROM MINAYA'S SALARY) AND LURING HUDSON OVER TO NY ALTHOUGH IT MIGHT BE TOO LATE. HE MAY HAVE SETTLED IN OUT THERE AND IS HAPPY??? I AM DONE WITH REYES....MAKE THE BEST TRADE YOU CAN MAKE TO GET PROSPECTS. I WOULDN'T MIND SEEING NADY BACK AT 1B OR THE OUTFIELD IF HE IS HEALTHY. MATTY HOL JUST AIN'T WORTH $15 MILLION PER YEAR AS A BORAS CLIENT ALTHOUGH I BELIEVE THAT NADY IS ALSO A BORAD CLIENT. JASON BAY WILL STAY IN BEANTOWN.

I WOULD LOVE TO SEE MURPH DEVELOP INTO SOMETHING NICE IF NOT SPECIAL. A FEW HAVE MENTIONED BOBBY PARNELL AS A STARTER. I AGREE 150%. SEE YA TO PUTZ. THANKS FOR NOTHING. MAINE NEEDS TO GO IN A TRADE AS WELL. I DON'T KNOW WHAT ELSE? MAYBE BILLY WAGS WILL HELP DOWN THE STRETCH FOR METS AND BE AUDITIONING FOR WOULD BE SUITORS FOR '10.

Hey Baseballmom !

Lost another AS game !

Assuming we make some deals between 7/15 and 7/31, don't expect any major ones. We now have from 7/17/09 untill 9/30/09 to play exceptional ball.

You caught the Omar line, we have our guys back soon so, we will make a run then. Basically thats what he said. meaning , no big deals will happen.

So, 7/17 to 8/15 a month roughly, can we play well until then ? If we get the crew back by 8/15, can we make another run ?

I don't know mom,, I think we are looking at at 70-1 odds here. There's gonna be alot of auditions here mom. You got that right.

Go Mets, be Amazin !

[[QUOTE:Hey Baseballmom !Lost another AS game !Assuming we make some deals between 7/15 and 7/31, don't expect any major ones. We now have from 7/17/09 untill 9/30/09 to play exceptional ball. You caught the Omar line, we have our guys back soon so, we will make a run then. Basically thats what he said. meaning , no big deals will happen.So, 7/17 to 8/15 a month roughly, can we play well until then ? If we get the crew back by 8/15, can we make another run ?I don't know mom,, I think we are looking at at 70-1 odds here. There's gonna be alot of auditions here mom. You got that right.Go Mets, be Amazin ! ]

Hey Ron Hunt,

Had a nice All-Star Party tonite and the consensus is for Omar to aggressively pursue Halliday just like they pursued Santana and when his predecessor went hard after Piazza after LA traded him to Florida with a major fan push from Mike and the Mad Dog. I heard lots of names thrown out there from Reyes, Parnell, F-Mart, Kunz yada yada yada. I would like Omar to aggressively pursue him even if he cannot land him...at least try. Also, make it a blockbuster and bring in Wells or Rios also. Jays are an interesting trading partner. Who knows what Omar has up his sleeve? I don't like him but I wouldn't be surprised if he pulls off a monster blockbuster.

Quite frankly, I do not understand why so many on this forum are so upset with Reyes. Yes, he has not live up to the expectations but maybe those expectations were unfair. Yes, he makes bonehead plays from time to time both in the field and on the bases. But it is hard to argue with his run production, clearly when he is going well so does this team. Even if he doesn't improve another iota he in my opinion is still one of the top SS in MLB. If you trade him for prospects, who plays short and bats lead-off?

West Coast....

I have been a detractor of Jose Reyes since the end of 2007.  For the boneheaded plays, yes, but it's so much more.  It's because of the disappearing acts he pulls every September and for his overall persona.  The smiling, the dancing, the overall goofiness....it's just not a persona that I feel really works for this team and this town.  As far as a replacement goes, I'm sure we can figure something out.

I am open to hearing suggestions as who replaces over 100 RS and 70 RBI in the lead-off spot. As for the smiling and dancing, in my opinion, these guys are playing a kids game why shouldn't they have some fun and be able to show it? I just think he and others need to try and keep more of that in the dugout so they don't get other teams ticked off.

I am just curious, what did you think of the days when McDowell and others would do things like the hot-foot stunt in the dugout?

J Kirsch,

Reyes is a baby that has never grown up! I gave him every benefit of the doubt over the past two years. He needs to go as he will never lead this team to a championship. I have to compare him to Jeter who knows how to win and lead his team. I am not a Yankee fan but have to give it up to Jeter who I have hated from day one. Reyes attitude sucks and he is not a team leader! We could make a list of his bonehead plays from not running out a groundballs to making a stupid error in the field. I don't believe anybody ever really sat the young man down to put him in his place. He is a great talent that will never reach his full potential in N.Y. Westcoast needs to understand that he has had his chances and has never stepped up when we really needed him.

WC,

I have to admit I loved the hot foots and all that stuff back then, but the difference is that team (and guys like McDowell and Keith and Rusty) proved themselves on the field and were well entitled to have a little fun.  I wouldn't have been so amused if they were 15 games under .500.....

Hey West Coast,

We have had Reyes for 5-6 seasons now ?

You see the potential, I do, but not at leadoff. The pressure of stealing 60 - 70 bases and playing SS 158 games doesn't seem to register that he won't be  Ricky H, or Maury Wills. Look At Wills career. If I add Brock to the equasion, 2 of the greatest stealers played the outfield.

I don't see Jeter in AL in the Top 3 for steals every year, do you ? Jeter bats second. Maybe Reyes should, which begs the question, why don't we find a leadoff and bat Reyes second. You talk run production, I would say it would improve in the 2 hole and he would be more durable.

Tommy Agee lead off for the earlier Mets, he could steal. He played CF. Mookie and Dysktra played CF and leadoff in 86.

When you look at stealing 80 - 90 bases a year, your SS shouldnt be the one. It should be an outfielder.

I know we all love to see Reyes run, but lets face it, the wear and tear on him means September swoon.

West Coast,  The potential will always be there for Reyes but if he isn't playing, he is not worth having. The key here is that he has worn out his welcome in NY. A lot of us are tired of his injuries, waiting for him to mature and bonehead plays. Cora is a stop gap for 2-3 years until Flores is ready. Reyes is not going to be a winner with the Mets!! Maybe elsewhere. And why Omar was so dead set against trading for Street after he was sent to Colorado, I have no idea. I know, who knew that Putz was hurt? I think that Seattle knew that he wasn't close to being healthy. Omar needs to be aggressive now. Jeff Francouer is right. 6.5 ain't nothing. Philly went out and got Blanton last year and signed Pedro for this year.  Bannister? Meche? I honestly don't know who is available. I just don't want to see Fernando Tatis, Argenis Reyes any more.

Honestly, I still don't know the extent of Reyes' injury and what happened to Beltran's knee? If these guys are such great atletes, how do these injuries occur? We have all seen Reyes and Delgado doing their stretches and running during pre-game with the athletic tranier. Besides bad luck, why is this happening? Or are these guys just soft players which is why they and their bullpen collapsed the last few seasons. I still can't get Ramon Martinez, Robinson Cancel in their lineup the last few games at Shea last season. And Ryan Church swinging at butterflies. Franceour is a start. Now starting pitching.

Kirsh, What do you think about trading Sheff for some mid level prospects. Is Niese the real deal? Is Kunz still around? I look at other teams and every team seems to have at least one home grown player who has become an impact player. Why can't the Mets develop an impact player other than Wright? Please don't give me Reyes because they signed Kazuo Matsui thanks to Bobby Valentine's advice. D-Murph needs to start becoming an impact player already and we agree that Bobby Parns needs to become a starter. Stokes is a dang disappoinment and Takashi or whoever that lefty is should never be allowed in a Mets uniform again. One guy who I love who gets no credit is Pedro Feliciano. 

I mentioned this and of course it is a longshot but what would it take to bring Dan Haren over from AZ? Niese, Kunz, F-MArt? Give them whoever they want. I wouldn't be surprised if Omar signs Tony Clark. LOL.

Why in the world do you all want Reyes to leave? 

How many shortstops can you list that have done better over the last three years?

Theis is the first year he has been hurt since 2004.

There are 30 teams out there.

Can anyone honestly debate that he is not in the top five?

69 - now. Yes the numbers speak for themselves but he will never be on a winning Mets team

when he finally gets back into a Mets uniform and actually plays. He had his chances here in NY and it is time for this kid to be dealt where he will be successdul no doubt but he can bring this team back some prospects. He has not been taught well by the Mets Minors Coaches or he is just not a docile player. I can't see him winning anything in a Mets uniform. Boston can use a SS. Maybe Ellsbury and a few pitching propsects for Reeys.