Topic: Is this really true? Mets said no to a deal for Roy Halliday???????
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| GARYARIZONAPosts: 264Location: Join Date: January 8, 2008 1:57 AMSend Message |  July 21, 2009 2:24 AMFolks, being out here in AZ, I am relying on trade rumors. com here. Please tell me that it's not true that the Mets told the Jays no to a deal for Niese, Parnell, F-Mart and Tejada? They didn't want to mortage the future. What future? You get a chance to have a Santana/Halliday 1-2 punch and you don't pull the trigger immediately. Hello..........the last time the Mets won a Championship was in '86. With a Santana, Halliday, Maine, Pelfrey, Perez rotation, you can fill in the other holes. Ike Davis, Eddie Kunz, Tobi Stoner, Flores, Thole are still prospects. My God, what is this guy Minaya thinking here or are the Wilpon's being cheap by not wanting 2 aces? Get Halliday. Trade Reyes for prospects. Trade Maine if you want. Sign O-Dog. We had another Met phenom sighting tonite in Oakland. Kevin Mulvey, that gem of a prospect, made his debut for Minnesota. . How are those Met phenom's Lastings Milledge and Alex Escobar doing? Go get Halliday. No brainer just like Piazza was. This will show a sign of commitment towards winning for next season. This trade rejection is just whacky man! | |
| metsfan4everPosts: 760Location: Join Date: December 1, 2007 10:35 AMSend Message | July 21, 2009 7:30 AM | |
| captain-crunchPosts: 597Location: Join Date: November 29, 2007 7:37 PMSend Message | July 21, 2009 7:36 AM | |
| WestCoastMetFanPosts: 621Location: Join Date: November 30, 2007 2:52 PMSend Message | July 21, 2009 2:08 PM There seems to be a lot of varying views on whether this is real or not, read Matt Cerrone's blog:
http://www.metsblog.com/2009/07/21/buzz-questions-about-the-halladay-mets-rumor/\ | |
| metfannzPosts: 3Location: Join Date: February 1, 2008 11:19 AMSend Message | July 21, 2009 2:17 PM That's what Jon Heyman is saying,according to SNY and WFAN.If it's true,Omar and the Wilpons are crazy!"Metsfan4ever" makes some good points.I'd keep Parnell and try to include Kunz instead.They're looking for young,cheap talent,so Niese-Martinez-Kunz-Tejada could get it done.To all those who are saying,"Forget it-we need offense":Yes,the Mets may need a first baseman(at least somebody to compete with Murphy),second baseman(Castillo has to go),catcher(ditto Schneider),and leftfielder(Sheffield is done).But there will plenty of them available in the offseason,so we can fill those positions then,and probably pretty cheap.The name of the game in baseball is PITCHING,PITCHING,PITCHING!"Prospects" are just that,and they can always be replaced.This is a once-in-a-lifetime deal(can you imagine Holladay and Santana 1-2 in the rotation?),and they have to do it.Do you all want to see him end up in Philly?OMAR,GET THAT DEAL DONE NOW!!!! | |
| metsfan4everPosts: 760Location: Join Date: December 1, 2007 10:35 AMSend Message | July 21, 2009 2:21 PM | |
| captain-crunchPosts: 597Location: Join Date: November 29, 2007 7:37 PMSend Message | July 21, 2009 2:36 PM metsfan4ever wrote:
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There's rumor flying everywhere regarding Halladay and the Mets. someone says a deal was offered and others say no such deal was ever offered. Regardless, one thing that no one is considering is that Halladay has a clause in his contract which is: if he is traded during his contract, he can request or demand a trade in the offseason. So if the Mets can't re-sign Halladay (it was reported that the Jays will not allow any team to reneg with Halladay's before july 31) and he decides that he doesn't like New York, then the Mets just gave up 4 top prospects for a 2 month rental. The only way and I mean the only way the Mets can or should make this happen is to convince the jays to allow them to extend his contract so he can't walk out of it this winter. If the Jays refuse, then I wouldn't make the deal.Mets deny that the trade was ever on the table. However, if it is I would work hard to get a pack age together. I would insist on a window to get a long term deal done. Halladay and Santana are 2 of the top 3 pitchers in baseball. As far as the prospects, they are the most major league ready but not the most highly regarded. Holt, Thole, Mejia and Flores have higher ceilings but are further away. F-Mart has a long injury history and has never hit for average ( over .300) or power( over 20 hrs.). Niese and Parnell have never had any great success at any level. Niese has a very good curveball and Parnell has a high 90's fastball. Neither has established second or third pitches. Plenty of potential but little success that indicates future stardom. Like to substitute one of these guys out but none has all star written on them. | |
| WestCoastMetFanPosts: 621Location: Join Date: November 30, 2007 2:52 PMSend Message | July 21, 2009 4:08 PM captain-crunch wrote:
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The only way and I mean the only way the Mets can or should make this happen is to convince the jays to allow them to extend his contract so he can't walk out of it this winter. If the Jays refuse, then I wouldn't make the deal.
I agree, this season is all but dead so if you are not able to sign him to a 3-4 year deal getting him now is nuts | |
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| captain-crunchPosts: 597Location: Join Date: November 29, 2007 7:37 PMSend Message | July 22, 2009 9:20 AM BASEBALLMOM68 wrote:
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First of all, these are not desparate times and the Mets can't look at it that way. Unfortunately they are having a bad year with injuries and players who aren't hurt not performing well. This is not the time to panic and start trading away all our top prospects. Roy Halladay is without doubt one of the top 3 pitchers in the game today. However; his current contract has a stimpulation in it that allows him to request/demand a trade in the off season. that's a tremendous risk to take when the Mets farm system is currently in the mddle of the pack in terms of talent. when the Mets traded for Piazza he was 30 years old and the Mets traded away Preston Wilson/Ed Yarnall/Geoff Goetz. You're correct that Piazza was going to be a free agent following the '98 season, however; the Mets had prior knowledge that signing Piazza was a strong possibility. Also, only Wilson at the time was rated in the Mets top 5 prospects among the 3. In the case of Halladay, he is 32 years old and has logged over 1900 innings already. The supposed Mets package of Martinez, Niese, Parnell and Tejeda is a much better package than the one offered for Piazza and the Mets have much more holes to fill currently than they did in 1998. The main problem I have with this is that the Jays will not allow any team trading for Halladay is work out a deal before July 31 or before a trade can be finalized. That to me raises red flags and would hinder my pursuit for him, despite how talented he is. Your right that a Halladay/Santana combo would look imposing in the NL east, but when you start adding ODog and Nady (2 Type A free agents) not only are you losing draft picks but the payroll will most likely reach into the $170mil. I know that I'm not the owner, so why do I care about payroll, the problem there is that it hinders future moves down the road for a player who we may need, but won't have either the prospects for and the money to get(which would had been the case if the Mets had signed Zito, they probably couldn't have gotten Santana). Bottom line, if the Jays were to allow any team willing to trade for Halladay a window to reconstruct the contract before July 31, then I would consider making that trade. Unfortunately; that's not the case, so the risks totally out weigh the gains. One final note in regards to Haren, would love to have this on my team, but with the uncertainly of Brandon Webb (injury/extented his contract) not sure if the D-Backs would trade away their best pitcher, could be wrong.I feel that these are very desperate times for this organization. Pitchings wins. '69 AND '86. Bringing in Hampton for a seaosn paeod big dividends. Trading for Piazza when they didn't know if he would stay was a franchise saving trade. Years back, trading for Saberhagen and Viola were good moves. Not getting Zito was a good move. Trading for a righty ace like Halliday to match up with a 1-2 punch with Santana, another great trade for Mets. Gents, this is a no brainer. Not that I have a crystal ball but I feel that the Mets have a better chance to win a World Series Championship over the next 4 years with Halliday more than they have a chance to win with PArnell, Niese, F-Mart, Tejada. I **** Parnell but in order to bring Halliday to Flushing Toilet Stadium would show the fans that ownership is willing to assemble an excellent pitching staff. This acquisition would be instant credibility just like Piazza. Franceour, Beltran, Nady in left or 1B, Wright, Cora or another shortstop, O Dog, Murphy. Halliday, Santana, Pelfrey, Stoner, Ollie or Maine. Go get Halliday. Or talk to AZ about Danny Haren. |
