http://forum.newsday.com/forums/thread/10781/ We're not that far from the deadline. Since everyone is into second guessing the offseason moves, let's see how good we are at identifying the best deadline targets. Without adding $20MM salary, how would you improve this team? With the contracts we have, it isn't as easy as it sounds. Guys like Castillo or Perez are not going to be paid big salaries and not play. So what do we target??? A Starter? Another LH reliever? A big Bat?? Where? You are the GM now. No 20/20 hindsight calls on Ibanez, etc. See if you can outperform whatever Omar actually winds up doing. I'll go first. I assume Peavy would never come to NY and Halladay will never be available. I'd make a run at Cliff Lee in Cleveland. He's in his prime and a quality, top line starter. Cleveland may be interested in some young talent and a smaller payroll. How about a package that includes Niese or even Maine. To beef up the offense, we'll need a corner outfielder or a first baseman. Matt Holliday will cost an arm and a leg and makes too much money. How about Adam Dunn. He can play 1st base. If Delgado returns, he can go to the outfield. I know he's lefthanded but we said that about Ibanez. He hits 40 homers a years with a .390 OBP and 100 + RBI's. I hear he'll be available. If we can add more oomph to the lineup and a quality #2 behind Johan without loosing anyone important from the roster, I say go. I would not include any top talent for Dunn but would for Lee who I consider a top starter in his prime. Who's next? 2009-06-21 06:17:30 http://forum.newsday.com/forums/post/68628/ 68628 GARY, I CAN GET TICKETS WHEN THE METS COME TO TOWN FOR FREE AND WILL NOT BE GOING THIS YEAR AS I AM THOROUGHLY DISGUSTED AT THIS POINT. WE ALL DESERVE BETTER AND WHY AGGRAVATE MYSELF ANYMORE WHEN THE &quot;AMAZING MESS&quot; COMES TO AZ. I WILL BE GEARING UP FOR FOOTBALL SEASON AT THAT POINT. I KNOW MANY PEOPLE BACK EAST THAT WILL NOT RENEW THEIR TICKETS AFTER THIS SEASON. THE NOVELTY OF THE NEW STADIUM HAS APPPARENTLY WORN OFF AND PEOPLE INCLUDING MYSELF HAVE NO MORE PATIENCE WITH THIS ORGANIZATION. INJURIES ARE ONE THING BUT TO LET THIS GET TO THIS POINT IS UNACCEPTABLE ESPECIALLY WITH THE MONEY THE METS ORGANIZATION HAS. OBVIOUSLY THEY DON'T CARE ABOUT WINNING.THEY ARE JUST WORRIED ABOUT SELLING MERCHANDISE, TICKETS, ETC. 2009-06-30 06:55:29 ANGRYFORMERNEWYORKER <forumuser@vmix.com> http://forum.newsday.com/forums/post/68617/ 68617 It boggles the mind what is going on with the injuries of these modern day athletes who are supposed to be stronger, faster, certainly not tougher. Julio Franco, Luis Castillo, Moises Alouare reasons enough for Jeffy Boy and Freddie Coupon to send Omar to the ESPN Broadcasting Team. Again, Omar has not done the job that he was brought here to do. Left Field Murphy, Right Field Church coming off an injury plagued season. Now Murphy at 1B. Sorry, Murph and Martinez are lost out there and this team cannot afford a weak link at 2B. Very nice that Omar addressed the bullpen with K-Rod and Putz but as was stated on this site.....he rested on those laurels and did not address the offense until Sheffield became available. Again, where is this team stacked with gems in the farm system? Ike Davis? WIlmer Flores? Josh Thole? Eddie Kunz? Tobi Stoner?I see that Brian Stokes is doing his Heilman impersonation tonite. Ahhhh just disgusting as Omar just sits on his hands and states that he is working the phones.I didn't know that you were living out in AZ also. Huntsy is over in New Mexico. I am thrilled that I haven't bought tix yet when the Mets come into Chase next month. Minaya must go. 2009-06-29 18:37:37 GARYARIZONA <forumuser@vmix.com> http://forum.newsday.com/forums/post/68607/ 68607 Gary, I live here in the valley and am a long time suffering Mets fan. It is truly sad that it has come down to this. What the hell has Omar done since Delgado went down etc? You have to have a plan B in case something like this happens. If you are not planning ahead you are planning to fail. I understand all the injuries but the Mets were obviously never prepared for the rash of injuries. I know it would be difficult for most clubs to deal with the injuries but the Mets have the money and need to do something. New ballpark same results! I basically forget how nice the new stadium is with the wheels coming off the wagon right before our eyes. 2009-06-29 14:26:50 ANGRYFORMERNEWYORKER <forumuser@vmix.com> http://forum.newsday.com/forums/post/68603/ 68603 Totally deflated. the Band Aid Mets get swept by the Yankees @ Cit-Field. Not that it matters when Mariano got his RBI walk because everyone knew that the Mets couldn't get 2 hits in an inning let alone 2 runs to tie the game but it is just embarassing to lose against the Yankees and be the laughing stock of their fanbase with no hope on the horizon via trade or prospects. I know that this guy F-Mart is only 20 but he seems lost at the plate like the rest of them. Very sad that it has come to this. Minaya needs to go and Manuel needs to be replaced. And the Wilpon's need to be held accountable and find somebody else to GM their ballclub and protect their investment after the scouting staff, Omar and Bernie have hurt them. The fans deserve better. 2009-06-29 11:27:11 GARYARIZONA <forumuser@vmix.com> http://forum.newsday.com/forums/post/68557/ 68557 RonHunt, thank you for the kind words, our passion for this team may come out differently through our words; but not through our passion emotionally. You remain being you and I'll remain being me, there's nothing wrong with that and along with the rest of the fans on this board; it makes this site more entertaining. 2009-06-28 05:57:56 captain-crunch <forumuser@vmix.com> http://forum.newsday.com/forums/post/68549/ 68549 I am , so proud of you Crunch,I've told you your a better man then me and I meant it.You are a BETTER MAN THE ME ! I have a short fuse, I assume so do others on this site. We are all Met fans here, we have differant opinions, differant idea's where this team should go.I appreciate your positiveminded attitude for this Met team. I need you to be that person. I do not want you to change. I do want you to see the ups and downs though.I wish I knew your real name, but understand we can't do that. You have my respect always, understand that. I am very proud of you, a mystery, but very proud.Go Crunch, If we win, I will remember you the most for being the staunch advocate of this Met team.Go Crunch, go Mets !Honesty doesn't come across to often, this one did.No tsaying your not an honest person. 2009-06-27 20:59:26 RONHUNT33 <forumuser@vmix.com> http://forum.newsday.com/forums/post/68521/ 68521 Yes, I am pointing out that I do not need to see this team go 38-12 down the stretch (it certainly would be nice) to make the playoffs if they get there with a .500 record who cares. I just want them to get there. Once there anything can happen 2009-06-27 07:20:09 WestCoastMetFan <forumuser@vmix.com> http://forum.newsday.com/forums/post/68518/ 68518 Crunch wrote&quot; When I visit family in New York, I sometimes watch a show called Loud Mouths. Two guys arguing over issues; which is great entertainment. I can see myself,westcoast, metfan on one side of the table and you, gary from ariz, baseballmom on the other side of the table arguing over the Mets. I bet it would be better entertainment than those two guys.&quot; Well said. Any good baseball discussion needs knowledgeable fans and varying opinions. This board has plenty of both. I enjoy that interplay. We've talked alot about everyone having a right to their opinion. Well the show, Loudmouths, that Crunch refers to is popular because both sides voice knowledgeable but differing opinions. When a fan is frustrated or unhappy about the play, I tend to try and pick them up. That's how baseball works. If your teammate makes a big error, you go to their support. It is not meant to deny anyone their right to their opinion. Since it seems to bother some, I will stop that. Like everyone else, I get frustrated by this team. I think any good fan recognizes that poor fundamentals have hurt this team alot. This is a game of relative failure. I am, by no means, happy that they are just over .500. I look at baseball as entertainment. The fact that they are only a half game out means that we are still in it. I love baseball. I like the discussions of how to improve the team, the talk of our prospects. I don't dwell on the failings or the frustrations. The great thing about this game, and this team, is there is always hope. I enjoy how this team fights despite all the injuries. We celebrate the '73 Mets but they were worse than this team until they got hot at the end of the year. Am I delusional to believe that if Reyes, Beltran, Delgado, Maine, Perez, Putz and Wagner come back by August, that this team could do some damage? I choose to believe that this team, if healthy, can make a '73 type move. Such delusion may not be for all but it has served me well over the last 40+ years rooting for this team. Whatever works for you, I hope this team gives us all more to root for than to be disappointed in. Lets Go Mets!!!!!!!! 2009-06-27 06:36:37 metsfan4ever <forumuser@vmix.com> http://forum.newsday.com/forums/post/68516/ 68516 RonHunt, no offense taken, I get very passionate with the Mets (like you and the rest of the fans on this board). In past posts, I mentioned playing minor league ball, well I never mentioned which team I played for; well guess who that team was////I have played against and with Omar during our playing days. I will not say we are good friends, but we a history together. Sometimes I see him in spring training and I rip into him (jokingly) about some of the moves he's made or didn't make; he laughs it off. Please don't think I'm tooting my own horn, I'm not; I felt it was time to finally bring up my history with this team. I have many friends who are still in baseball, mostly scouts/player development and many times they inform me and provide with information; which is why sometimes I come across as a know it all. I mean no disrespect to anyone on this board, my passion for this team runs very deep and sometimes I get defensive on a personal note.  I am dissappointed by the way this team has played, but I am conditioned to be positive through adversity. As an athletic, that's how you maintain a mental toughness that is needed throughout a season.  As you know, baseball players fail more times than we succeed, so remaining positive could be the difference between  making the majors and not making the majors. When I visit family in New York, I sometimes watch a show called Loud Mouths. Two guys arguing over issues; which is great entertainment. I can see myself,westcoast, metfan on one side of the table and you, gary from ariz, baseballmom on the other side of the table arguing over the Mets. I bet it would be better entertainment than those two guys. I think this site has very knowledgable fans like the above mentioned and also HoJo, Afansince, 69/86 (not sure of this handle) and if I left out anyone, I apologize. We all have good points and at times we all (yes, including me) make points that seems off the wall. All I ask is that when fans make statements on this site that warrants facts to back it up, please have them. In the future, I will choose my words more carefully and try not to come across as a know it all. 2009-06-27 05:33:15 captain-crunch <forumuser@vmix.com> http://forum.newsday.com/forums/post/68514/ 68514 Omar may have his faults,  but one thing he does well is to find players released by other clubs and have them contribute as a Met (Nieves/Santos/Stokes, just to name a few). With the news of Maine being out until after the All-Star game, look for Omar to explore into Brandon Backe, just released from the Astro's. His numbers weren't good, but perhaps a change of scenery and a few adjustments, could be a good find like Nieve. 2009-06-27 04:56:38 captain-crunch <forumuser@vmix.com> http://forum.newsday.com/forums/post/68506/ 68506 Sorry West Coast,I go Huh ?Just don't get the post.Your saying miricales are coming. We are overdue for some. I hope your right.73 Mets went 82-80 , are you pointing that out ?If it happens I would be there.Talk to me me buddy. We are getting in desparate times here now. 2009-06-26 21:04:59 RONHUNT33 <forumuser@vmix.com> http://forum.newsday.com/forums/post/68505/ 68505 I could care less if they play like the '73 Mets as long as they make the playoffs, then as the 2006 Cards can attest to anything can happen! 2009-06-26 20:30:27 WestCoastMetFan <forumuser@vmix.com> http://forum.newsday.com/forums/post/68504/ 68504 Hey West Coast, I admire your determination.After last nights loss to the Yankees's , I am very dissheartened. At home, even if a hurt team, it's a time when a weak team rises to the occasion or a bookie's bet to say, they will lose tonite.They lost, at home, in front of all Met fans who came out to support them.This appears to me, we will continue down this tract. I am so sorry to say this, but this team is going DOWN !I empathize going down not to **** you off, it just pisses me off. No offense meanted to you , it's just an emphatize on my point of view.I'm glad to hear your frustrated too. Sometimes we need to hear it, more often. Cause this team is the most frustating team I've had the displeasure to rout for.GO METS, PLAY LIKE 69 ! 2009-06-26 20:27:14 RONHUNT33 <forumuser@vmix.com> http://forum.newsday.com/forums/post/68502/ 68502 I can not speak for anyone but myself; I have mentioned numerous times that I am disappointed with where we are at. I also have said that I prefer to recognize that the injuries we have had have decimated this team and have played a big part in that. We have 3 of 4 of the &quot;core&quot;, 2 of 5 starters plus Redding, our RF, catcher and RF, plus 2 back-up infielders and a back-up outfielder have spent time on the DL. I believe that any team with this many injuries would be struggling. That said, I also beleive if we played better earlier in the season and won the games that we gave away we should be trying to hold onto a lead rather than trying to stay close. Play has been sloppy, dropped balls, missed bases to name a few are not the signs of a &quot;great&quot; team. So yes I am frustrated too. Then I look at the standings and say if we can hold on until the calvery comes back we can still win this thing. Some of you will say we are lucky that the Phillies are also playing bad, but let me ask you this; do you think Philly fans want to give back last year's trophy because they only won it because the Mets played bad down the stretch and handed it to them? I think not. So even though there are a lot of negatives to this season we are still close and there is a lot of baseball to play and I prefer to think my team still has a pretty good chance of winning this damn thing. 2009-06-26 20:07:04 WestCoastMetFan <forumuser@vmix.com> http://forum.newsday.com/forums/post/68498/ 68498 Hey Met fan,Prefer to respond to you vs. the rhubard going on here LOL ! I love BaseballMom, My neighbor, Afan, as well as Crunch, West Coast and you.What's happening here in this dogfight of posts is frustrated Met fans vs. positive minded Met fans and guess what, it was due to happen !When you read all posts, you see differant styles of writing and sometimes things get missinterpreted.Lord knows I've apoligized so many times here and sometimes I think, 'what the hell did I say&quot;?Crunch, no offense intended, your writing sometimes comes across as an expert on the Mets. I view you as being a very positive minded Met fan. Again , no offense intended.Hell to be a Met fan, you better be positive minded ! Met fan, West Coast, Crunch, what I think you miss here, and we need to hear it occasionally , no , more often, is your dissapointment in this team!Oh, thats negative. But, needs to be done! Needs to be stated emphatically ! Just as much as my being negative means I write positive when the time comes.If we knew more often that you feel the same way, the dissapointment, we would get along better.We are not Steppard wives to this Met team! To Omar, to the Met Org. If Omar is great, we would have won one by now, wouldnt we have ?Do we not measure greatness by a WS ?We CAN be , Met fans that dissagree where this team is going, and there is no denying, although I will open the floor, that we are on a downwood spiral.Unless your content with being a plus .500 team every year, I think your making a mistake .Go Met fans, positive or negative, we are Met fans either way ! 2009-06-26 19:37:20 RONHUNT33 <forumuser@vmix.com> http://forum.newsday.com/forums/post/68464/ 68464 Displaced, thank you for the props. I have been asked, on this forum, who would I get for a trade of one or more of the core members? It's a good question. I believe that Omar Minaya, Tony Bernezard, and others either read or scan this forum. If they want the benefit on my intelletual prowess and property, then an adequate consulting fee is required! Basically, I am not going to do their job for them! LOL!!! 2009-06-26 04:08:53 Afansince1967 <forumuser@vmix.com> http://forum.newsday.com/forums/post/68461/ 68461 I'LL BET THAT YOU, ME AND A FEW OF THE OTHER POSTERS LIKE AFAN, HUNT, WESTCOAST, HOJO, BASEBALL MOM WORKING TOGETHER AND GETTING PAID BY THE METS WOULD DO JUST AS GOOD OF A JOB AS OMAR, BERNEZARD AND THEIR SCOUTING STAFF. Surely you can't honestly believe this? 2009-06-25 22:31:52 Displaced_Giants_fan_in_Ohio <forumuser@vmix.com> http://forum.newsday.com/forums/post/68452/ 68452 Which one is it? Are you a Dragnet or CSI investigator? You're bent on getting the &quot;facts&quot; - the knowing who, what, where, when, ahd why - and not understanding the the current core is a failed grouping in terms of team leadership, its impact, and direction, especially over the last three years. Individually, they put up numbers that look good but are soft. Why? It's because the concept of team and where we are going, a to-a-man resolve, is lost. The one exception is Degado's resurgence last year after Randolph was fired, he carried the Mets but that only went so far because of the September collapse. It's a matter of not knowing how to win. The 2006 Mets had fun but fell short. The next two years, it was within their grasp and slipped away in the collapses. If this core was individually on some of the great teams of the past, would they start or sit on the bench? The Phillies have already expressed what they think. Yes, I am a Mets fan for over 40 years. What frustrates me is the discrepancy of how this team is promoted and how they play. Yet, I don't take anything about the Mets and the postings on this forum personally. I'll disagree with and challenge but not demean anyone. 2009-06-25 18:20:10 Afansince1967 <forumuser@vmix.com> http://forum.newsday.com/forums/post/68450/ 68450 I read my remarks to you several times and I would like to know where I was patronizing you. I honesty didn't understand your analogy of the bounced check, (see I'm not perfect). Stop with the insults and answer the question that you are avoiding. You want to trade one or two of the core players, well name them and who would you trade them for. 2009-06-25 16:53:31 captain-crunch <forumuser@vmix.com> http://forum.newsday.com/forums/post/68446/ 68446 Oh no, YOU didn't! Your reply says. &quot;Your analogy of bounced checks although entertaining, doesn't make your point.&quot; NO, YOU GOT MY POINT! Please, don't patronize me or anyone else who posts on this forum through backhanded humor as an attempt at minimization, which is a form of denial. A check is only as good as what is in the bank that covers the amount. If not, it's nothing more than worthless paper. Touting the &quot;core,&quot; that puts up big stats but can't lead a team, is just like that overdrawn check. It looks good on paper but there's nothing behind it. This is the reason that Philadelphia was used as a comparison. Yes, the Phillies lost in the Divisional Series to the Rockies in 2007. They came right back the next year, with resolve and determination, and won the WS. That has not been the Mets' forte in 2007 and 2008 with back to back collapses after their near miss in 2006. The difference is that Philadelphia has the grit that lacks in the Mets and their core. &quot;Soft&quot; numbers really need an iron will for the production of championships. I like Minaya but what he has assembled doesn't have the fortitude for getting the job done. If it takes trading away one of more members of the core, then go for it. That is better than three years of near miss frustration. 2009-06-25 13:27:35 Afansince1967 <forumuser@vmix.com> http://forum.newsday.com/forums/post/68437/ 68437 West Coast....who in the farm system are they trading? Honestly, I don't think that any GM wants Mets prospects. Minny was forced to deal with Omar. I wonder if Twins fans are happy with the Gomez for Santana trade. Mulvey and Humber seem to be nothing but more than hyped players that the Mets used to be good at doing. This organization just can't keep promoting their players in the poker card game where they have been busted for bluffing on their prospects. Yes, Wright is the real deal. Reyes has all the potential in the world but is either stupid or the minor league Managers could not teach him baseball sense. Reyes is not docile. The jury is still out on Parnell, Evans and Murphy. At this point, the Mets bluffed Washington and got Church and Schneider for another Mr. Overhype..Milledge. The new Seattle GM made a deal that doesn't seem so silly now. Endy Chavez/Jeremy Reed a wash. Sean Green for Heilman and Carp. Was that basically the trade that everyone, including me, foamed over. Maybe just maybe the Seattle GM knew that Putz was damaged goods. If I recall correctly there were rumors of Heilman for Marquis straight up or Heilman for Huston Street straight up.Okay, Ike Davis is untouchable. Thole, Stoner, Kunz, Flores, Bowman. Who of them are untouchable. Who else is down on the farm that I am missing? Michael Abreu? Nellie Figueroa? Maybe I am not seeing the big picture here with the Mets farm system. What gems am I missing?I have to agree with Baseball Mom here. 2009-06-25 10:04:54 GARYARIZONA <forumuser@vmix.com> http://forum.newsday.com/forums/post/68436/ 68436 THE BASEBALL PROSPECTUS? FORGIVE THE ALL CAPS. WHO ARE THEY TO ANALYZE A FARM SYSTEM BETTER THAN WE THE FANS. WHOEVER WORKS FOR THEM ARE NO BETETR THAN THE BASEBALL WRITERS AND US AS FAR AS ANALYSIS &amp; OPINIONS. LIKE YOU SAY, AGREE TO DISAGREE BUT OMAR HAD NOWHERE TO GO BUT UP AFTER DUQUETTE. I'LL BET THAT YOU, ME AND A FEW OF THE OTHER POSTERS LIKE AFAN, HUNT, WESTCOAST, HOJO, BASEBALL MOM WORKING TOGETHER AND GETTING PAID BY THE METS WOULD DO JUST AS GOOD OF A JOB AS OMAR, BERNEZARD AND THEIR SCOUTING STAFF. I DON'T KNOW WHO THEIR SCOUTS ARE BUT I AM NOT IMPRESSED AND WOULD BE ACTIVELY LOOKING FOR BETTER EVALUATORS OF TALENT. YOU LIKE OMAR...I CAN'T STAND HIM. JUST NOT WORTHY OF THAT RIDICULOUS 4 YEAR EXTENSION SIMPLY BASED ON THAT CASTILLO 4 YEAR SIGNING WHERE HE WAS BIDDING AGAINST HIMSELF. IF CASTILLO WOULDN'T SIGN A 1 YEAR CONTRACT HE SHOULD HAVE GONE TO DAVID ECKSTEIN. UNLESS OMAR SIGNED CASTILLO HOPING TO LURE SANTANA OVER HERE? WHO KNOWS THE INSIDE STORIES AND NEGOTIATIONS WITH PLAYERS AGENTS.I AM NOT GOING TO CRITCIZE YOU OR ANY OTHER POSTER HERE BUT SERIOUSLY...YOU WOULDN'T WANT THEM TO BRING OVER LEE OR DUNN IN A SENSIBLE TRADE OF PROSPECTS?AND HUNTSY....WHERE ARE YOU? WHAT'S YOUR OPINION ON THESE PLAYERS OR HOLLIDAY? OR JUST STAY WITH EVANS, MARTINEZ AND MURPH? 2009-06-25 09:45:11 GARYARIZONA <forumuser@vmix.com> http://forum.newsday.com/forums/post/68433/ 68433 I find it interesting that those that criticize Omar for the depleted farm system are the first ones that want a major trade now or free agent signing in the off season. A major trade costs the team prospect that are presently in the farm system. Signing free agents cost future draft picks. Both of these types of transactions that were done in the past are the reason why the farm system is in the shape it is in today. 2009-06-25 07:04:31 WestCoastMetFan <forumuser@vmix.com> http://forum.newsday.com/forums/post/68431/ 68431 If the Mets were to acquire Dunn and or Lee, it were weaken their farm system and set it back years. Although the Mets rank 18th out of 30th, there's still room for improvement here. This year will test Omar to his limits, he needs to not panic and at the same time improve his team without giving away our blue chips. For the record, I am not a huge Omar fan, despite what is written; I defend him because many on this board (without the facts) blame him for everything that's going wrong. Again, they have the right to criticize him, as it's my right to not. But if you look at the overall performance and resume of Omar as GM of the Mets, he has more plus'es than minus'es. Is he the best or one of the best GM's in the League, NO; I can name at least 5 GM's off the top of my head who are better. However; I can also name 5 GM's off the top of my head, who are worse. One final note; I am not at all a big Manuel fan, I think he is too passive to manage in New York. With that being said, I learned that since he has taken over for Willie (about 160 games ago), Manuel's record is about 90-70 during that time. I had no idea that he was 20 games over .500. My point here is that, before everyone makes negative comments about certain individuals, do your homework first to support your statements. 2009-06-25 05:29:18 captain-crunch <forumuser@vmix.com> http://forum.newsday.com/forums/post/68430/ 68430 As mentioned in my response to Baseballmom, Baseball Prospectus does a annual rating of all 30 ML teams. In 2009, the Mets were rated 18 out of 30. I agree that their farm system should be deeper, but as I mentioned, their system is better since Omar took over. 2009-06-25 05:08:27 captain-crunch <forumuser@vmix.com> http://forum.newsday.com/forums/post/68429/ 68429 Sorry about the Omar hater tag. Should have been more careful. No offense intended. Beginning to think Ronnie is right also. While I am on the fence with Omar- like the Santos/Cora type pick-ups but think the farm system could be better- I like the fight I've seen from this team. Guys like K-Rod, Sheffield and Cora have added some grit to this team. Wright is stepping up since Delgado's injury. Sometimes fighting through tough times helps a team mature. This may not be the time to tear it up. Maybe grow the prospects and see what we have. There is $45MM payroll coming off this offseason. Once we know what we have, then we can make the necessary changes. The fate of Omar and Manuel will probably be determined by how this team responds. 2009-06-25 04:57:35 metsfan4ever <forumuser@vmix.com> http://forum.newsday.com/forums/post/68428/ 68428 Why do fans care what the payroll is? If you live in Ohio you are not contributing by going to games and neither am I being in AZ. Dunn is a bonafide power guy that this lineup can use. Lee might be worth the gamble especially if Ollie can't make it back. Tonite is probably a mirage. Delgado and Wagner come off the books in '10, correct? There is a new stadium in Flushing and the Wilpon Family is sitting on a gold mine with that and their cable station. Sorry about the Madoff scam but it is the fans who are paying for it. I am sure everyone on this Newsday board have been hit by the ecomomy in more ways than one. Ownership needs to show commitment to the fans by investing with another big salary to salvage the season and attempt to be a contender. If it weren't for the Phils sucking while the Mets were sucking, the Mets can be 6-7 games out by now. I was hopeful that this team could make the playoffs but just way too many injuries and not enough depth in the minors. Regarding Crunch's comment to BaseballMom that the Mets system is ranked 18/30. Who is ranking them? I agree with BM that this farm is still depleted other than the prospects that we all know about. At this point, I am really rooting for Wilmer Flores to make it so that the Mets can get rid of Reyes. With Putz out, Parnell is a definite keeper instead of being a chip. This Nieve guy seems too good to be true. Am afraid that the League will quickly catch up to him.My Dad asked me about Dan Wheeler, Heath Bell and Matt Lindstrom whom I think I heard went on the DL with Florida. Those guys just weren't going to make it in NY. Is Kunz a keeper? I really like the catching tandem of Schneider and Santos. This Santos may be the real deal. I liked Castro as well. Yup, it has been a frustrating season so far.Question not about Mets. If A-Rod, Tejada, Giambi, Ramirez were linked to illegal substances--why are they being allowed to still play? Do you guys feel that Luis Gonzalez and Shawn Green and even Piazza were juicers? Brady Anderson with Baltimore? Steve Finley with AZ? The years that they were saying that the ball was juiced but not the men? Who else am I missing as possible cheaters?Redding and Livian have been nice additions. Should they give Pedro one more chance? I am one that also agrees that both Manuel and Minaya should be let go after this season. 2009-06-25 01:18:03 GARYARIZONA <forumuser@vmix.com> http://forum.newsday.com/forums/post/68423/ 68423 Getting Dunn and Cliff Lee are not the answers but a start. A start? Just exactly how much do you think our total players payroll should be? 200K+? 2009-06-24 22:31:55 Displaced_Giants_fan_in_Ohio <forumuser@vmix.com> http://forum.newsday.com/forums/post/68418/ 68418 With all due respect Baseballmom68, I have never directed an insult to you since I have been on this forum until you sarcastically made reference to me, while writing to another fan. Just the fact that you start your column by insulting my handle and you call me a child. You can go back to every column I have ever written and you will never see me writing that I think I know it all. In fact, if you look hard enough, you will see many times that I say "not sure" or "as far as I know". Please don't include others on this board, RonHunt and I respectfully disagree and agree on certain topics and as far as I know, there's no issue with us. Gary in AZ and I don't mix and that's fine with me, as I am sure it is fine with him. In regards to Omar, look at his record and compare it the years before he became GM. The Mets had losing records before he became GM, he convinced Pedro to sign with the Mets; which gave them instant crediability. That signing enabled them the sign Beltran, Wagner, just to name a few. The lack of the farm system that you have indicated is ranked 18 out of 30 by baseball Prospectus, which may not jump out at you initially, but consider this: a year before Omar became the GM, Baseball Prospectus ranked the Mets farm system at 26 out of 30. Facts don't lie and I'm not a know it all, I just do my homework before I write it down. I may not always be right and often times, I'm not. However; I am never the one to initiate confrontation unless I'm being attacked or insulted; which is the case between you and I. In the future, we can have our disagreements and although we may urge over them, we can agree to disagree. No more insults from both sides, agreed!! 2009-06-24 19:44:32 captain-crunch <forumuser@vmix.com> http://forum.newsday.com/forums/post/68410/ 68410 Dear Captain Crunch, First of all, your name impies that you are a child writing on this Mets blog and having read most of your posts, they are usually condescending, especially towards Hunt and AZGary + others. You really do come off as a know it all and you believe that you are the King of this site. You are not, son. That being stated it is not my job to come up with solutions. I am entitled to be a Monday Morning Quarterback! Isn't that what this site is all about? To bash and complain and give opinions? It is fun to b_tch and moan on this forum!We all have one thing in common which is the agony of being a Mets fan these past 45+ years.Did we sell our soul's to the Devil for allowing us to snatch a Championship away from the Bosox in '86? Maybe.I don't recall so many injuries to a team. Is that bad luck, bad conditioning? Aren't today's athletes supposed to be stronger and faster and better than last decade's ballplayers? Omar is disgusting. There is nothing, nothing in the farm system that thrills any of us. The farm system is depleted and I doubt that any GM would want Mets prospects. Flores, Thole, Stoner, Kunz, F-Mart. The farm system is a joke. Besides free agent signings, what has Omar done? Where are Omar's rings? This man does not deserve a free pass. He was handed Johan on a platter thanks to the Yanks and Bosox. If either of those teams wanted him they would have gotten him. The Mets would have had Gomez in one of the corner outfield spots...still no power from the corners along with Kevin Mulvey and Humber in the rotation. I think not. Lastings Milledge is a bust and I believe he is a bust because Willie destroyed his enthusiasm of playing the game with excitement. Other than Reyes and Wright, where are the prospects that have made an impact in the Majors? Don't say Parnell. Jason Bay and Kazmir are the only players that I can think of. Bad scouting. Bad drafts. In the 2000 Series aginst the Yanks I believe that Payton and Alfonzo were the only prospects that played. Ordonez from Cuba. This team has a losing image now in a beautiful, amazing ballpark. Have you been there yet? Getting Dunn and Cliff Lee are not the answers but a start. Seriously, based on their track record, what 7-8 top prospects are going to make it? I feel that these kids are destined for failure based on track record and an organization's losing mentality. This is why Minaya and Manuel need to be dumped. The Coaching house should have been cleaned out after last season. Not Minaya's fault solo but he seems to be a ****y, smug guy who did not deserve an 4 year extension at the end of last season which brings us to the Wilpon Family who are simply businessmen and Brooklyn Dodger fans. Besides Fruity Pebbles, I mean Captain Crunch and Tenille what do Hunt, AFAN, West Coast, Gary in AZ and the other &quot;real&quot; fan posters here think?Love, The old lady Baseball Mom/Nana 2009-06-24 18:11:56 BASEBALLMOM68 <forumuser@vmix.com> http://forum.newsday.com/forums/post/68400/ 68400 Just because I may not agree with you or other people on this board, doesn't mean I'm in denial. That are many fans on this board that share my thoughts and look for solutions and not complain. Do you think I'm overjoyed that this team has not a WS yet, or worse yet; watching the Phillies winning it last season. You are very committed to laying out the facts and stand by them. Well, here's a fact: The Mets are a better team since Omar became GM. Is he the best GM in the League, absolutely not. Is he the worse GM in the league, not by a long shot. Your analogy of bounced checks although entertaining, doesn't make your point. The fact remains that this season, you can have Connie Mack and John McGraw along with other great managers and GM's and they couldn't have forseen the injuries and players to replace their numbers. This team needs to play hard and grind it out until they get healthy again, hopefully; make a push with 6-8 weeks remaining. The Phillies, Marlins are not going to run away with this division, luckily this is not a very strong division, so the Mets need to take advantage of this and once healthy, make a move. I have a question for you, how would you improve this team before the trading deadline. 2009-06-24 15:07:12 captain-crunch <forumuser@vmix.com> http://forum.newsday.com/forums/post/68396/ 68396 WestCoast, please stay within the context of my post. You're focussed on last year and this one. mY viw was loking at the Mets over the last four to five years and their failure at getting the job done This is why the Phillies were mentioned as team who won the WS in two years that the Mets haven't in four. 2009-06-24 11:39:18 Afansince1967 <forumuser@vmix.com> http://forum.newsday.com/forums/post/68393/ 68393 Without being disrespectful here, let me ask you a question. How do you make an honest assessment of what this team needs when they are missing the following pieces to this year's puzzle?:Number 3 starter John Maine last year 10W - 8LNumber 4 starter Oliver Perez last year 10W- 7LLead-off hitter Jose Reyes last year .297 BA 113 RS 68 RBI 56 SBNumber 3 hitter Carlos Beltran last year .284 116 RS 112 RBIClean-up Hitter Carlos Delgado last year .271 BA 96 RS and 115 RBINot to mention that Cora, Church, Pagan, Schneider, Martinez, Redding and Putz have spent time on the DL. (Not sure if I missed anyone, the list has been so long) That is an awful lot of production to lose and to expect management to have contigency plans to foresee this many injuries and have suitable replacements to make up for said production in my opinion is unfair.Yes, this year is a dissappointment but expecting that the team should sustain this many injuries and not have it affect outcome and performance of the team is unrealistic. Making any long term decisions now based on how this team is playing in my opinion would be a big mistake.When you look at the big picture, we are by far not out of this race and once we start getting these guys back I think you will see a different team production wise than you see now. 2009-06-24 10:24:24 WestCoastMetFan <forumuser@vmix.com> http://forum.newsday.com/forums/post/68392/ 68392 Well, BASEBALLMOM68 is bringing it on the real as are most frustrated Mets fans not in denial. Let's just say that someone gives you a check, that when cashed, bounces. After an apology, knowing that this occasionally happens, and promises are made for getting things right. All is forgiven and, in good faith, you accept other checks from that person. Yet, they bounce as well. What do you feel if excuses are made and more checks offered? Understandably, there should be some distrust because of the past experience. This is like the current state of the Mets and their fans. The 2004 and 2005 teams played in seasons of promise which included the hiring of Willie Randolph as Manager, the emergence of home grown stars, and the signings of key FAs in Martinez and Beltran. The 2006 season was one of disappointment getting so close and hopeful expectations for the future. Unfortunately, the last two years, the collapses of 2007 and 2008, were seasons of &quot;insufficient funds&quot; just like checks that bounce. Why? It's because something is missing or not available despite expectations. The Philadelphia Phillies have done something in two years that the Mets don't appear able to do in four. It's called determination, grittiness, swag, execution, motivation, etc. Winning desire is caught, not taught. The fans know this principle. The Mets, as an organization, from top to bottom are missing something. It's time for a re-evaluation of strengths, weaknesses, an honest assessment of what is really needed, and the willingness towards making it happen. Pointing this out is not being negative. It's just keeping it real! 2009-06-24 09:07:33 Afansince1967 <forumuser@vmix.com> http://forum.newsday.com/forums/post/68379/ 68379 In the future, why don't you direct your comments about me to me, instead of another. You are quick to criticize, but you never come up with solutions. You never responded to me in regards to how you would improve this team, instead you play monday morning quarterback. Using a word &quot;whimsical&quot; is amusing, just because I think Omar has done a better job than you , doesn't mine I love the guy. There are better GM's out there and there are worse. Tatis batting cleanup, with all the injuries, what do you expect the Mets to do. I suppose you want Cliff Lee/Adam Dunn or any other big name player which would cost us 6 to 7 of our top prospects. You provide no substance in your post, only complaints; as you see the glass half empty. As a fan, I'm not happy with their performance. but I'm not going to take a page out of your book and bash and complaint and point out things like &quot;we should have sign Ibanez&quot; Again, playing the role of a monday morning quarterback is very unappealing. Instead, why don't you answer my original question and tell us how you would improve this team. 2009-06-24 03:48:27 captain-crunch <forumuser@vmix.com> http://forum.newsday.com/forums/post/68377/ 68377 I FEEL MUCH BETTER NOW HAVING READ YOUR POST. SO TRUTHFUL THAT IT MADE ME LAUGH. I REALLY DON'T KNOW WHAT PLAYER CAN HELP TURN THIS THING AROUND FOR THE METS. THERE AIN'T NOBODY ABAILABLE OTHER THAN CLIFF LEE. I LIKE THAT POTENTIAL ACQUISITION. HECK YEAH, TALK AND LEARN WHAT WASHINGTON WANTS REALISTICALLY FOR ADAM DUNN. I WOULD KEEP AWAY FROM MATT HOLLIDAY. DRECK, LOL, FOR THOSE WHO DON'T KNOW MEANS &quot;OUR GARBAGE&quot;.PITCH OLLIE, JOHANN, PELF, MAINE IF HEALTHY, REDDING AND LIVIAN UNTIL ONE OF THOSE GETS TRADED BECAUSE I CAN FEEL TOBI STONER IS ON THE MOVE TO THE BIG LEAGUES.ELLIS VALENTINE.LOL. REMEMBER, WE TRADED GEOFF READON TO MONTREAL TO GET HIM AFTER GETTING A CHEEKBONE BROKEN AND WAS NEVER THE SAME. WHAT BM, YOU NOVER LIKED LUIS LOPEZ, MATTY FRANCO OR ORDONEZ OR PAYTON? YES BASBEALL MOM......MANUEL AND OMAR NEED TO GO HOME PACKING. LET OBERKFELL MANAGE THE REMAINDER OF THE SEASON AND THEN DISCUSS BRINGING IN A TRUE MET HERO AT THE MGR. SPOT, GARY CARTER. GET RAY KNIGHT TO COACH 3RD BASE, LEAVE HOJO AS BATTING COACH, BOBBY OJEDA AS PITCHING COACH. WARTHEN NOT OKAY AS PC. BENCH COACH, CLUNT HURDLE. MATT HOLIDAY IS NOT A WORTHY FA SIGNING FOR AFTER THIS SEASON BUT GO GET ORLANDO TO PLAY 2ND BASE NEXT SEASON PLEASE.I AM AFRAID THAT THEY WILL START GOING INTO BELOW .500 TERRITORY WITHIN THE WEEK.BUT I AM SURE THAT FREDDY COUPON AND JEFFY BOY WILL REWARD OMAR WITH AN ADDITIONAL 3 YEAR EXTENSION ON TOP OF THE 4 THAT HE GOT AFTER LAST SEASON'S MARVELOUS END RESULT.SAD TO SAY BUT THERE IS NOBODY ON THIS TEAM WHO IS MAN ENOUGH OR TALENTED ENOUGH TO GO OFF ON A HOT STREAK. NOT TATIS, NOT CASTILLO, CORA IS NICE, REED UGHHH AND BACK TO EVANS, F-MART AND DAN MURPH GETTING THEIR CHANCE TO PLAY. 2009-06-23 23:13:22 GARYARIZONA <forumuser@vmix.com> http://forum.newsday.com/forums/post/68365/ 68365 Omar hater checking in, Sir! There is no help for this team this year. And Omar can just stock up on all those blue chippers in the system because no other team wants the Mets dreck. Nothing that Sir Omar can do to tinker. Omar has done a tremenous job? Let me drink some of that posters coffee please. The Captain never ceases to amaze me with his whimsical posts and love for Omar. Tatis batting cleanup. This is the little engine that couldn't. Say goodbye to .500. I am starting to yearn for days of Ellis Valentine, Dave KIngman and George Foster. Jeffy needs to cut his ties with both Omar and Jerry. Crazy season of injuries but this team didn't have it going into ST. The World Baseball Classic may have had more of an affect on the Mets than other teams. Who knows. I agree with Hunt. Just bring up the prized possessions from Buffalo and Double A and lets see what they got and don't got. 2009-06-23 20:31:41 BASEBALLMOM68 <forumuser@vmix.com> http://forum.newsday.com/forums/post/68364/ 68364 West Coast,I have no deals to be made.Write it off as a loss, cause this season is turning into an injury plaqued season. Not suprising at all, thought it would come into play.Theres nothing out there that can happen unless things change by the AS break. And even then, not sure I would deal ML talent. Would like to see them come up, play, play well or play bad, send them down to learn better.That's the way it should be handled. 2009-06-23 20:13:03 RONHUNT33 <forumuser@vmix.com> http://forum.newsday.com/forums/post/68363/ 68363 Hey Met fan,If I read you right, your confident with the present team. Or are you looking to bring up the kids? I ask, contrary to others on this site , for clarification. I'm not an Omar hater, but recognize his weak decisions on this team.I do see a sinking ship here, you didn't mention it. It maybe your hoping for a comeback or miracle season as this is the 40th anniversity.Can you wait, something I've had a hard time doing.I hope your right .I have a hard time with a good team. I will bury my wishes right now if we can be a better team next year. After all, I am a Met fan, but, an extremely disspointed one. 2009-06-23 20:05:30 RONHUNT33 <forumuser@vmix.com> http://forum.newsday.com/forums/post/68349/ 68349 Despite the injuries to key players, we are only 1.5 games out. No one is going to run away with this division, so it's important for Omar the Mets brass not to panic (rewind Zambrano for kazmir trade). The more I think of it, the more I like the thought of Ryan Garko, last year of his contract ($446k) and shouldn't demand a high return of prospects (none of the top 10, perhaps Nick Evans, and 2 lower prospects). He has grit and can play 1st and outfield, let's not forget power from the rightside. Also, Ben Sheets is progressing ahead of schedule and if he shows any indication of having good stuff and is healthy again, you can bet Omar and about a half dozen other teams will be interested. The cost for Sheets would be a supplemental pick (based on his injuries and lack of playing time in 2009). So in reality, adding Garko and Sheets and keeping Martinez, Flores, Murphy,Niese, Parnell, Holt, or any of the rest of the top prospects would be fine with me. 2009-06-23 11:43:50 captain-crunch <forumuser@vmix.com> http://forum.newsday.com/forums/post/68338/ 68338 I think we should we should hold on to the prospects as well. Especially for the players like Huff and Nick Johnson that are being mentioned. These are nice players but not at the cost of some of our better prospects. Now, if it were for a shot at a Peavy or Oswalt, maybe. But indications are that Peavy won't come here and Oswalt is reported to not be on the market so it is a moot point. If we trade them now when injuries come next year there will be nothing left on the farm to bring up and help out. Besides, I think we need to look at this team in the long term. We have a solid core, if the complimentary pieces are brought in we should be a competitive team for many years. If we go for broke this year it will leave a hole in the farm system which in my opinion put the long term competitiveness in jeopardy. 2009-06-23 07:40:55 WestCoastMetFan <forumuser@vmix.com> http://forum.newsday.com/forums/post/68333/ 68333 Interesting! Not one response from all the Omar haters. Really was curious what they might have suggested. As for the three of us, we took three completely different approaches. One thing in common with both of your approaches was to not part with any of our top talent and see what we have. As I read your responses, my first reaction was,&quot;That won't fly in NY&quot;. Then I thought that may be the problem. New Yorkers require instant success and lots of stars. The truth is most NY teams get lots of stars but enjoy little success. The quote from Cora may have hit the mark best. It takes more than superstars. Is it the core or the team? In Wright, Beltran, Reyes, Santana and K-Rod, we have the players in key spots to win. We need more grit. Livan Hernandez gets banged around but he wins and in big spots. How many big plays have come from Sheffield and Cora? Maybe it's time for me to agree with you guys and think long term. We have a core of young talent to evaluate. Guys like Murphy, Martinez, Santos, Niese, Parnell, Thiele, Holt, and others could bring the energy and depth we're looking for. That success would last too. Add a piece without the disturbing that future, but not at the expense of. Look for more additions like Cora and Sheffield and Nieve and Santos. They cost little and offer lots of upside. For the record, even if Santos folds from here, I like how he plays the game. I like your approach better than mine. Let's Go Mets!!!! 2009-06-23 06:23:44 metsfan4ever <forumuser@vmix.com> http://forum.newsday.com/forums/post/68312/ 68312 Met Fan, Crunch,I'd leave this team alone.Let the weaknesses fall where they may.I would prepare for another losing season right now. Do you honestly want to deal at the All Star break all our young talent, or would you prefer to see them come up, do well or do poorly and let's see what we got for next year.I'd prefer to keep every promising young star and write this season off.I'd prefer to re-evaulate this team, do we need Reyes ? Do we need Delgado anymore ? Do we need Ollie ? Putz ?Deals can be made for most of them. Will Billy come back ? Bring up some kids now. Forget winning this year.Don't deal unless the AS break offers opportunities. Bring up the kids, forget WS and let's see what happens.I'd prefer to see the kids in the lineup, then see this so called talented team do so poorly.Time to see what the future Mets bring. I can live with it, can you ?I'm tired of Minor League teams deciding if a kid has enough talent to make it. Put the kid in there, let's see if he got it or not.The injured reserve is climbing on this team, bring up the kids. No deals, play them. 2009-06-22 19:11:30 RONHUNT33 <forumuser@vmix.com> http://forum.newsday.com/forums/post/68245/ 68245 There's is no indication that Omar is looking to acquire Dunn. This is just our thoughts of what if and maybes. Besides, during the offseason when Dunn was a FA, I don't recall you lobbying for the Mets to sign him. In fact, many of the fans on this board wanted Murphy to get full opportunity to play LF based on his performance at the end of the 2008 season. It's easy to second guess events after the fact(monday morning quarterbacks). Why don't you tell me what you would do by the trading deadline to help the Mets. 2009-06-21 18:47:26 captain-crunch <forumuser@vmix.com> http://forum.newsday.com/forums/post/68244/ 68244 If Blomar would have signed Adam Dunn as a free agent, like he should have, he wouldn't have to consider trading prospects to get him now. 2009-06-21 18:38:06 TimmyTuff <forumuser@vmix.com> http://forum.newsday.com/forums/post/68238/ 68238 Alright, I'll give it a go! the two main guys you would like to see the Mets acquire (Lee and Dunn) are great picks and would certainly help this team. However; In regards to Lee; I have read that the Indians, despite their record will not trade him. Now of course; it doesn't hurt to ask, but like you said; it would take a pretty impressive package to acquire him. As for Dunn, the nationals will most likely listen to offers for him and again, they will attempt to get as much as they can for him. I'm with you in regards to not giving up top talent for Dunn. In order to get a Lee (if available) , the Indians would start with Fernando Martinez, followed by Niese or Holt and perhaps Maine. I don't think Omar will need to go after a LH reliever, reports on Wagner are very encouraging that he will return sooner than expected. I am going to go in a little different direction than you. Instead of looking for the usually suspects who would demand top prospects in return. I am going to mention a few players, two SP and the another a 1st base/Outfielder.  I'll start with the 1st/outfielder, whose name is Ryan Garko. He is RH and can hit for power. His contract is $446k and in his final year of his contract. The Mets would not have to give up top prospects for him like they would for Dunn. The reason I'm going this route is because I don't want to give up our blue chippers and I also believe that Garko has that edge (grit) that many of the fans on this board are looking for. As for the SP, how about these guys: Jason Marquis/Ubaldo Jimenez. Both pitch for the rockies and have done very well at coors field. Marquis record at 9/4 is impressive along with his ERA of 3.71 and he wouldn't cost the Mets alot of prospects like Lee or even Bedard would. Now Jimenez can be a sleeper, he's only 6/6 record, but his ERA is 3.73 with a K per inning and he keeps the ball in the park. giving up only 3 homers in roughly 85 innings. I know these are not big time names and I'm thinking of getting as much quality without giving up top blue chippers. Now another option and you can bet Omar will at least look into is Ben Sheets; Yes Ben Sheets. Like Wagner, reports are that he is recovering ahead of schedule and will get a good look from not only the Mets, but from alot of other teams. Now I'm not sure of the compensation aspect, but if Sheets shows any indication that he can pitch the way he did last season, when he was healthy. You can bet Omar will make every attempt to sign him, again not sure about compensation, but it certainly would allow the Mets to not give up any of their top prospects. Final point: I would love to have a Lee or even a Bedard (he's healthy again), but not if it means giving away 3 of my top prospects. the same goes for Dunn, would love to have that big bat in the middle of the lineup, but not if it means giving the Nationals a couple of our top prospects. I think Omar has done a tremendous job rebuilding the farm systems, maybe because he will use them to get a Lee/Bedard or Dunn, I don't think so. If Omar were to acquire a Garko and a healthy Sheets just for the second half of the season, I'm fine with that. I know that it wouldn't cost us too much to acquire them. That would be my approach if I were the GM of the Mets, minimize lost to fill in needs. 2009-06-21 16:51:41 captain-crunch <forumuser@vmix.com> http://forum.newsday.com/forums/post/68197/ 68197 We're not that far from the deadline. Since everyone is into second guessing the offseason moves, let's see how good we are at identifying the best deadline targets. Without adding $20MM salary, how would you improve this team? With the contracts we have, it isn't as easy as it sounds. Guys like Castillo or Perez are not going to be paid big salaries and not play. So what do we target??? A Starter? Another LH reliever? A big Bat?? Where? You are the GM now. No 20/20 hindsight calls on Ibanez, etc. See if you can outperform whatever Omar actually winds up doing. I'll go first. I assume Peavy would never come to NY and Halladay will never be available. I'd make a run at Cliff Lee in Cleveland. He's in his prime and a quality, top line starter. Cleveland may be interested in some young talent and a smaller payroll. How about a package that includes Niese or even Maine. To beef up the offense, we'll need a corner outfielder or a first baseman. Matt Holliday will cost an arm and a leg and makes too much money. How about Adam Dunn. He can play 1st base. If Delgado returns, he can go to the outfield. I know he's lefthanded but we said that about Ibanez. He hits 40 homers a years with a .390 OBP and 100 + RBI's. I hear he'll be available. If we can add more oomph to the lineup and a quality #2 behind Johan without loosing anyone important from the roster, I say go. I would not include any top talent for Dunn but would for Lee who I consider a top starter in his prime. Who's next? 2009-06-21 06:17:30 metsfan4ever <forumuser@vmix.com>